| 31 Mar 2021 |
 💬 | yutyo/D: 1 thing I love about Stallman is that he knows who to hire. | 20:18:12 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: he's not in charge of thatr | 20:18:20 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: he's not in charge of that ✏️ | 20:18:21 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: And who to work with. | 20:18:22 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: Nope, he literally invited over many devs to do stuff | 20:18:43 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: he was literally just a spokesperson | 20:18:46 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: Like Bash | 20:18:46 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: 30 years ago (re @PPFI_matterbot: yutyo/D: Like Bash) | 20:19:04 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: bash is from 1989 and started as a GNU project | 20:19:49 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: He is still important for GNU imo. He even does valuable comments and suggestions to new projects under GNU, like GNU Taler | 20:20:12 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: he's a stain on gnu right now | 20:20:27 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: he tarnishes the reputation of the free software movement that fsr is focussed around a single organisation | 20:20:46 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: I mean, I guess its what FSF is. Trying to change that wouldn't work out, just like it didn't in OSI when Eric got fired. | 20:21:20 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: FSF is a cult | 20:21:41 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: For the new FS advocacy, its always possible to open new foundations. I as a web dev see the need for a foundation that can find answers to web freedom but also support that FSF keeps doing what it does best. | 20:22:38 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: Its not a rule that every single org need to do stuff for the new software world. | 20:22:53 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: it's a rule that a free software organisation shouldn't become a cult | 20:23:29 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: I mean, yes, RMS is well-respected but he is not a cult in FSF. | 20:23:56 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: i don't care if they're stewards of old software, that's a good thing, what i care about is they treat RMS like a bloody god | 20:24:17 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: He may be a cult in GNU (while getting criticised time to time even there), but FSF is outside of his control. | 20:24:21 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: He isn't even president atm. | 20:25:03 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: he's on the board, for some god only knows reason | 20:25:30 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: the president of a board doesn't actually come with any more power than any other board member | 20:25:59 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: I think its OK, cuz he did so much for the Free Software community. | 20:26:24 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: he did so much, 30 years ago | 20:26:34 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: and then pretty much retired | 20:26:52 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: Yeah, actually he struggles at understanding technology nowadays. | 20:27:15 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: The fact that he never setup a GNU/Linux distro himself tho. | 20:27:27 |
| 💬 | yutyo/D: The fact that he never setup a GNU/Linux distro himself tho... ✏️ | 20:27:39 |
| 💬 | AmyCupcake/T: you know why FSFE and FSF are seperate, because FSFE promotes the use of free software on proprietary platforms as a bridge, to get people away from proprietary software, and FSF are purists | 20:28:07 |
