| 29 Nov 2021 |
 DigitalArcanist | But I can expect more from a working professional than a consumer. | 23:02:16 |
 nukkelele#2912 | can you? a professional gets paid and has more restrictive timelines. every minuet spend troubleshooting issues is money/productivity lost, both for the developer and the company. | 23:03:18 |
| nukkelele#2912 | a regular consumer or hobbyist can spend all day troubleshooting without repercussions | 23:03:35 |
|  TheTrainDoctor joined the room. | 23:04:00 |
| nukkelele#2912 | but a developer being unable to work for a day cause X11/networking/.... broke has actual repercussions | 23:04:05 |
| DigitalArcanist | Yes. I can. They get paid to understand the environment they're developing for, at least to a degree that allows them to create a successful product. | 23:04:31 |
| nukkelele#2912 | is that the developers' job, or QA though? | 23:04:52 |
| DigitalArcanist | Both, in a good shop. | 23:05:04 |
 Lily01 | the only issue with arch holding is that they still have package breakage | 23:05:26 |
| Lily01 | manjaro* | 23:05:43 |
| nukkelele#2912 | in a good shop you'd probably have devops handling the breakage that happens on devs' machines | 23:05:50 |
| nukkelele#2912 | not the developers themselves hacking away on their crap | 23:06:09 |
| Lily01 | a lot of issues are upstream | 23:06:14 |
| Lily01 | sometimes devs push bugged packages | 23:06:32 |
| nukkelele#2912 | ALTHOUGH! in a good shop you'd do mass deployments of actual arch, instead of expecting the devs themselves to install manjaro/arch/whatever on their machine | 23:06:35 |
| Lily01 | and they need to hotfix | 23:06:36 |
| nukkelele#2912 | you'd have gold images of Arch, for example | 23:06:46 |
| DigitalArcanist | Again, we're not talking about game devs running arch on their personal boxes. | 23:07:00 |
| DigitalArcanist | We're talking about having an Arch (Manjaro) box around to test that their product works in Steam on Proton. | 23:07:34 |
| DigitalArcanist | That's a small enough scope that anyone should be able to manage it. | 23:07:54 |
| DigitalArcanist | Be it the humble indie dev setting up an old PC in the corner, or the AAA with it's IT setting up a bank of PCs for QA to add to it's tests. | 23:08:52 |
| nukkelele#2912 | in that case what's the issue with using Manjaro? if they're not gonna be using it as their daily driver and have a specific subset of packages that they will install, I expect significantly less problems | 23:09:47 |
| DigitalArcanist | Manjaro isn't going to be running the same versions of packages that SteamOS is. | 23:13:24 |
 Lego Kenobi | it wouldn't surprise me if valve makes their own repo for steamOS instead of just using the arch one | 23:13:31 |
| DigitalArcanist | It's a mismatch that WILL cause a problem for someone, somewhere. | 23:13:33 |
| nukkelele#2912 | oh absolutely. if not that, at least their own dedicated Arch mirror. but that's a given that they'll have their own repository | 23:13:37 |
| DigitalArcanist | Which is why I'm certain the recommendation will change to "run SteamOS" instead once they're ready to let people at it. | 23:13:40 |
| nukkelele#2912 | came upon this while doing a quick search: https://repo.steampowered.com/arch/valveaur/ | 23:13:41 |
| Lego Kenobi | what is that?? | 23:13:42 |
| nukkelele#2912 | Valve AUR repo but it seems to be abandoned. | 23:13:58 |
