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21 Jun 2021
@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.orgGrapheneOS Bridge<Gabe:telegram> yeah it was a neat solution to get a secure device on the cheap at the time. Depending on price might make more sense to buy a newer Pixel 4a // 4a (5G) if you factor in price/support time now though (re @Angry_Lasagna: Works fine enough for me. I am not expecting all too much from a phone. + It was quite cheap for a phone with nice customrom and avbkeys support.)16:18:00
@mkinitbtcio:bitcoinenemies.commkinitbtcioAn example of an app I use on multiple phones where I see this behaviour would be Standard Notes (although there are quite a few more, including Vanadium + Vanadium in a PWA). Use standard notes, swap to different app/apps, come back within 1 minute. App needs to do full refresh/reload as if I had opened it fresh.16:17:52
@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.orgGrapheneOS Bridge <Gabe:telegram> * yeah it was a neat solution to get a secure device on the cheap at the time. Depending on price might make more sense to buy a newer Pixel 4a // 4a (5G) if you factor in price/support time now though (re @Angry_Lasagna: Works fine enough for me. I am not expecting all too much from a phone. + It was quite cheap for a phone with nice customrom and avbkeys support.) 16:18:20
@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.orgGrapheneOS Bridge <Angry_Lasagna:telegram> 4a xl is my target for next phone if nothing better has a nice price or I am rich in the meanwhile. (re @Gabe: yeah it was a neat solution to get a secure device on the cheap at the time. Depending on price might make more sense to buy a newer Pixel 4a // 4a (5G) if you factor in price/support time now though) 16:20:32
@n0x1ous:matrix.orgFiosI've never experienced what you are describing with Standard Notes on Graphene OS16:20:48
@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.orgGrapheneOS Bridge <Gabe:telegram> sounds like a plan! (re @Angry_Lasagna: 4a xl is my target for next phone if nothing better has a nice price or I am rich in the meanwhile.) 16:20:58
@n0x1ous:matrix.orgFiosBeen using both for years16:21:01
@flawedworld:matrix.orgflawedworld
In reply to @mkinitbtcio:bitcoinenemies.com
An example of an app I use on multiple phones where I see this behaviour would be Standard Notes (although there are quite a few more, including Vanadium + Vanadium in a PWA).

Use standard notes, swap to different app/apps, come back within 1 minute. App needs to do full refresh/reload as if I had opened it fresh.
We are doing the same optimisations as on the stock OS.
16:21:08
@mikaeel007007:matrix.orgMikaEelFEEDBACK!! I installed grapheneos on my fresh New pixel 4a. My first Android phone.!!! I fumbled arround with the stock OS for 20mins and couldnd wait to get rid oft it :) I tried to installiert the newest build via the cmd in win10 Weirdly enough in the "install all" batch, at the end i got an error "partition not found" I Tried it multiple times. On start with locked bootloader it said "OS not found" With unlocked bootloader the white Google background lit up for three seconds and rebooted, only to never Boot again but to only going back in a loop to the bootloader screen all the time. So i gave up the cmd Route. Only with the biggest amount oft hesitation i installed the shittiest non privacy Browser "chrome" to install it the "web" way, which worked like a charm! Now typing on the New grapheneos pixel 4a. Feels great On the web Installation there was an additional step where the phone booted Into a second fastbootd screen. That didnt happen with the cmd "install all" batch way. Any ideas? Thanks for this great OS :)😊16:22:01
@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.orgGrapheneOS Bridge <Angry_Lasagna:telegram> Were there considerations to work more directly with Qualcomm for patches/insight beyond googles contracts or even other phones? 16:22:06
@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.orgGrapheneOS Bridge <Gabe:telegram> Working with Qualcomm would only really happen once we have a GrapheneOS branded device. Other devices often don't come near the security baseline set by Pixel devices. Worth checking: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices (re @Angry_Lasagna: Were there considerations to work more directly with Qualcomm for patches/insight beyond googles contracts or even other phones?) 16:23:44
@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.orgGrapheneOS Bridge <Angry_Lasagna:telegram> I've read the whole faq, maybe there was something not as official in the pipes. (re @Gabe: Working with Qualcomm would only really happen once we have a GrapheneOS branded device. Other devices often don't come near the security baseline set by Pixel devices. Worth checking: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices) 16:24:28
@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.orgGrapheneOS Bridge <Gabe:telegram> yeah nothing atm other than one day we will have a GrapheneOS device where we can control such agreements with Qualcomm and so on. (re @Angry_Lasagna: I've read the whole faq, maybe there was something not as official in the pipes.) 16:25:23
@mkinitbtcio:bitcoinenemies.commkinitbtcioUgh so this is a me issue then? It really sucks as it makes the phone quite unusable for a lot of tasks (especially multitasking). I have used Graphene for over a year now and have been quite happy, but these issues are becoming more common and I'd hate to downgrade to a less secure alternative just to be able to do multitasking :(16:25:40
@flawedworld:matrix.orgflawedworld
In reply to @mikaeel007007:matrix.org
FEEDBACK!!
I installed grapheneos on my fresh New pixel 4a.
My first Android phone.!!!
I fumbled arround with the stock OS for 20mins and couldnd wait to get rid oft it :)

I tried to installiert the newest build via the cmd in win10

Weirdly enough in the "install all" batch, at the end i got an error "partition not found"

I Tried it multiple times.
On start with locked bootloader it said "OS not found"
With unlocked bootloader the white Google background lit up for three seconds and rebooted, only to never Boot again but to only going back in a loop to the bootloader screen all the time.

So i gave up the cmd Route. Only with the biggest amount oft hesitation i installed the shittiest non privacy Browser "chrome" to install it the "web" way, which worked like a charm!

Now typing on the New grapheneos pixel 4a. Feels great

On the web Installation there was an additional step where the phone booted Into a second fastbootd screen. That didnt happen with the cmd "install all" batch way.

Any ideas?

Thanks for this great OS :)😊
glad to hear it worked for you. could have been a usb issue with regard to your initial installation attempt.
16:25:45
@leeya:kde.org"FUD b3c@u$E wE sAiD s0!" - "trustworthy" community members or "experts"
In reply to @mkinitbtcio:bitcoinenemies.com
Ugh so this is a me issue then? It really sucks as it makes the phone quite unusable for a lot of tasks (especially multitasking). I have used Graphene for over a year now and have been quite happy, but these issues are becoming more common and I'd hate to downgrade to a less secure alternative just to be able to do multitasking :(
It's inconclusive atm
16:26:47
@forzaa:matrix.orgforzaa
In reply to @grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.org
<Angry_Lasagna:telegram> Were there considerations to work more directly with Qualcomm for patches/insight beyond googles contracts or even other phones?
What about future Google Pixel devices? It appears that the Pixel 5 is the last device to use Qualcomm. Instead, Google is moving to develop their own chip for the Pixel 6, currently codenamed WhiteChapel. Will this present a challenge for GrapheneOS in supporting this new SoC?
16:27:10
@leeya:kde.org"FUD b3c@u$E wE sAiD s0!" - "trustworthy" community members or "experts"flawedworld just states that the same upstream doze and optimization is used in GrapheneOS16:27:22
@myworld010:matrix.orgShepherdIts not even confirmed that theyre gonna make their own soc16:27:52
@myworld010:matrix.orgShepherdAfaik16:27:57
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@flawedworld:matrix.orgflawedworld
In reply to @forzaa:matrix.org
What about future Google Pixel devices? It appears that the Pixel 5 is the last device to use Qualcomm. Instead, Google is moving to develop their own chip for the Pixel 6, currently codenamed WhiteChapel. Will this present a challenge for GrapheneOS in supporting this new SoC?
It's a kind of "We don't have a crystal ball" type response you'll get unfortunately. Pretty much only once the source code drops in AOSP and someone begins to work on the device, any indication of blockers (if any) would arise.
16:29:57
@leeya:kde.org"FUD b3c@u$E wE sAiD s0!" - "trustworthy" community members or "experts"But it's not the only reason (iirc) on why apps reload, it can also be due to memory, but last time I've checked, the memory usage is improved (as of https://releases.grapheneos.org changelogs on hardened_malloc)16:31:00
@baconicsynergy:matrix.orgbaconicsynergyHello friends. I'm new to GrapheneOS but I love what you all do. Glad to stop by here16:31:25
@mikaeel007007:matrix.orgMikaEel flawedworld: should i repost that in the beta Chanel so it is Seen by the dev? 16:31:30
@myworld010:matrix.orgShepherdRedacted or Malformed Event16:31:42
@grapheneosbridge:grapheneos.orgGrapheneOS Bridge <Hulk:telegram> Welcome! (re @GrapheneOSBridgeBot: baconicsynergy:matrix.org Hello friends. I'm new to GrapheneOS but I love what you all do. Glad to stop by here) 16:31:47
@mikaeel007007:matrix.orgMikaEel Shepherd: ofcourse, but i dont think they read all New 1000 messages a day haha 16:32:35
@flawedworld:matrix.orgflawedworld
In reply to @mikaeel007007:matrix.org
flawedworld: should i repost that in the beta Chanel so it is Seen by the dev?
Not a bug. Thanks for asking tho!
16:33:04
@mikaeel007007:matrix.orgMikaEel flawedworld: how come it worked on the Browser Installation on the first try? 🤔 16:34:30

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