 | Politics | 24 Members |
| A place where you can discuss every aspects of politics without the fear of being banned | 3 Servers |
| Politics | 24 Members |
| A place where you can discuss every aspects of politics without the fear of being banned | 3 Servers |
| Sender | Message | Time |
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| 11 Nov 2020 | ||
 Andreas Kunstmann | Redacted or Malformed Event | 13:09:59 |
| 14 Nov 2020 | ||
| Andreas Kunstmann | Close all nonessential workplaces! Full compensation for workers and small businesses! https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/11/14/pers-n14.html | 13:58:03 |
 @catalost:matrix.org | Redacted or Malformed Event | 18:46:20 |
| 18 Nov 2020 | ||
| @catalost:matrix.org left the room. | 21:32:02 | |
| 21 Nov 2020 | ||
| Andreas Kunstmann | Pentagon shakeup aimed at paving path to Trump coup https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/11/21/pers-n21.html | 17:03:53 |
 Daniel | Andreas Kunstmann: do you live in the US? | 17:57:36 |
| Andreas Kunstmann | In reply to @danielp3344:matrix.orgWhy do you ask? | 23:24:31 |
| Daniel | Andreas Kunstmann: well, those articles you post don't line up very well with what I've experienced. I was wondering if you had noticed the same | 23:46:57 |
| 24 Nov 2020 | ||
 @realvagabond:matrix.org | malice or ignorance | 03:06:13 |
| Andreas Kunstmann | Why are millions of Americans traveling for Thanksgiving as the pandemic rages? https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/11/24/pers-n24.html | 18:44:35 |
| Daniel | Andreas Kunstmann: you'd add more to the room by discussing things rather than acting like a human rss bot | 19:32:10 |
| Andreas Kunstmann | In reply to @danielp3344:matrix.orgMaybe you can add some more details to that? | 20:15:24 |
| 27 Nov 2020 | ||
| @realvagabond:matrix.org | does not compute | 02:29:20 |
| @realvagabond:matrix.org | beep boop | 02:29:23 |
| 28 Nov 2020 | ||
| @realvagabond:matrix.org changed their profile picture. | 07:09:17 | |
| 2 Dec 2020 | ||
| Andreas Kunstmann | The coronavirus pandemic and the case for expropriating the financial oligarchy https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/02/pers-d02.html | 16:27:24 |
| 3 Dec 2020 | ||
| Andreas Kunstmann | Facebook speech falsely claims massive vote fraud Donald Trump’s Mein Kampf https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/03/pers-d03.html | 19:00:02 |
| 4 Dec 2020 | ||
| Andreas Kunstmann | Capitalism’s winter of death Immediate action is necessary to save hundreds of thousands of lives! Statement of the Socialist Equality Party https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/04/pers-d04.html | 19:36:47 |
| 5 Dec 2020 | ||
| Andreas Kunstmann | The COVID-19 pandemic and the global resurgence of class struggle https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/05/pers-d05.html | 12:56:31 |
| 7 Dec 2020 | ||
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| Andreas Kunstmann | Trump incites fascist violence in Georgia https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/07/pers-d07.html | 20:07:19 |
| 8 Dec 2020 | ||
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| @paradoxical_003:matrix.org set a profile picture. | 15:50:23 | |
| @paradoxical_003:matrix.org | paradoxical_003 If there are aliens, I guarantee you humanity will soon discover two things about them: They are the worst racists out there, and see a racist society as the ultimate evolution of politics and They are the strongest proponents of anti-racism among everyone whom they seek to conquer and dominate centi ? centi I guarantee two things in counter to that... That so called evolution of politic enabling racism isn't going to be a thing... wanna know why? Because if driven one side to the corner with genocide, the other side would consider throwing a frigging asteroid at the planet in retaliation, that's one of the "Great Filter" if there is one. .Everything you're saying is based on your misconceptions about alien, they can a vastly different psychology and physiology to our and it is possible for them to be more empathetic compare to our species. paradoxical_003 centi I guarantee two things in counter to that... That so called evolution of politic enabling racism isn't going to be a thing... wanna know why? Because if driven one side to the corner with genocide, the other side would consider throwing a frigging asteroid at the planet in retaliation, that's one of the "Great Filter" if there is one. .Everything you're saying is based on your misconceptions about alien, they can a vastly different psychology and physiology to our and it is possible for them to be more empathetic compare to our species. racism isn't genocide, you could even be against genocide because you are racist. empathy doesn't work the way you seem to think it does. what do you think racism is? centi Meaning hatred of another race, you have generations of people grew up hating the race of others until it ultimately lead to extremist, because it's easier for people to enable hate when enabling racism. I point it out where it ultimately leads to, genocide and mass killing. That isn't the "ultimate evolution" of politic by any stretch, it's the ultimate division of politic which disallow us from working together to build a better future. Empathy is the ability to recognize, understand, and share the feelings/thoughts of other people, animals, and species. We have no idea how sentient alien would be like, but it's possible for them to be peaceful and collaborative as it is human being violent and divisive. paradoxical_003 centi Meaning hatred of another race, you have generations of people grew up hating the race of others until it ultimately lead to extremist, because it's easier for people to enable hate when enabling racism. I point it out where it ultimately leads to, genocide and mass killing. That isn't the "ultimate evolution" of politic by any stretch, it's the ultimate division of politic which disallow us from working together to build a better future. Empathy is the ability to recognize, understand, and share the feelings/thoughts of other people, animals, and species. We have no idea how sentient alien would be like, but it's possible for them to be peaceful and collaborative as it is human being violent and divisive. racism is not the hatred of another race if hatred of another race was what racism was, most people known as racists today would not be racists by your definition Richard Spencer, not racist, Jared Taylor, not racist, George Rockwell, not racist, William pierce, not racist. centi Racism defined as: " Discrimination or prejudice based on race." Prejudice defined as: "An irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics" So yes It's hatred paradoxical_003 Then most white nationalists are not racists. but they are racists, so your definition fails. in fact, a lot of white liberals are considered racist, and they have a positive view of other races, like a "superior to whites" kind of positive view. words are defined by how they are used, not some dictionary page. most people considered racist today do not have any hatred towards other races, indeed, not only their words, but also their actions are consistent with this. but they are still racist. As for their thoughts, i don't know, i only have access to my own thoughts, not anyone else's. But hating other races is not the only thing defining racism, indeed, most racists do not seem to hate any other races at all. if you want to know what I think it is, the answer is that I don't know. But at the very least the definition should extend to include the founder of the american nazi party. It seems like something people sense, rather than have a solid description of. but it does follow some rules, it only applies to white people, and it is a bad thing to be, and probably some other patterns that I'm not conscious of at the moment. It's a moral judgement, not a very specific one. at least that is how i see it being used also, someone like robin deangelo admitted to hating blacks, but is known as one of the most influential anti-racists out there JM I'm really lost here. paradoxical_003 , are you saying white nationalism and similar views are acceptable because they don't meet a particular definition of racism? paradoxical_003 so i guess hating another race might not be a determining factor in voiding you as an anti-racist, the opposite of racist. JM I'm really lost here. paradoxical_003 , are you saying white nationalism and similar views are acceptable because they don't meet a particular definition of racism? I'm saying that either racism is not just hatred of other races, of those who lack hatred of other races, such as most white nationalists I've talked to, and many of the figures that defined their ideology, are not actually racist. you can be not racist but still bad JM paradoxical_003 Richard Spencer, not racist, Jared Taylor, not racist, George Rockwell, not racist, William pierce, not racist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lincoln_Rockwell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Luther_Pierce These people? paradoxical_003 you can be not racist and downright evil yes those people how do you not know who they are? JM Because I'm not from the US. paradoxical_003 neither am i JM Are you defending them or are you arguing semantics? paradoxical_003 nope, not defending them, just saying that genocide and hatred are not equivalent to racism, you can be racist and oppose genocide, you can be racist and lack hatred for other races, you can also be anti-racist (in fact, one of the most influential anti-racists out there) and hate other races. JM So, semantics then paradoxical_003 important ones vitally important ones like, "people getting killed over them" important JM Perhaps, but this isn't really the place for it. paradoxical_003 ok i do think it would be nice if we could break down the word "racist" and "racism" into subtypes that ore accurately describe the people, actions, and positions they are applied to I find that the application of the word is way too broad I hear "this guy is a racist" and the range of what that could mean or be referring to are so many that it can be something innocuous and common to something rare and very scary. centi No, but I point out that racism enable extremist actions and where it ultimately leads to. We've seen plenty of that lately. paradoxical_003 centi No, but I point out that racism enable extremist actions and where it ultimately leads to. We've seen plenty of that lately. lately? centi Anyway, I don't think I'll have anything productive to discuss with you paradoxical_003 like what? did i miss something? JM So if we could keep it out of this room it'd be appreciated, thanks mrdennmann Shall we crate a "Rainbow scale of racism? Oh, he's merely purple. incidental bias. sigh. paradoxical_003 yes, that is unironically something that should exist, different words for more specific nuanced meanings, so that people don't have to play a guessing game with one word that is used to refer to so many different (sometimes vastly different) concepts. mrdennmann Neat. How about Semi-Klan. #feelingslightlygenocidal paradoxical_003 the range of things (people, ideas, policies, etc.) that was called "racist" or "racism" is way too large. the ottomans killed all their black slaves, and are not racist. the americans did not, and are racist. mrdennmann well. you must be running in some odd circles All flavors of racism, are still racism. JM Perhaps I haven't been clear: this topic of discussion isn't appropriate for this room, so can we end it, please? mrdennmann Until you see the others, as yourself, you malfunction. Understood @Jm stepping back. JM If people wish to continue it they can do so in their private messages 👍 Thank you! | 21:16:35 |
| 10 Dec 2020 | ||
| @86ul:matrix.org | I am looking for a decent matrix and suchs service (sic). And I would like to focus on four things: 1) federated, in some sort set up by a group of people who have the knowledge and want it to share with others. 2) decentralised, not just one server, but decentralised over a few or more (hence: service - servers). 3) social and open minded, a good, decent, and friendly community that really listen to eachother. 4) secured against the 'evil courant regime and digital regime', but not supporting (very) illegal activity. You can say that I am a journalist, who prefer security for writing purposes only. Any suggestions? | 07:56:01 |
| Andreas Kunstmann | Stop government attack on COVID-19 whistleblower Rebekah Jones! Statement of the Socialist Equality Party https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/10/pers-d10.html | 18:08:38 |
| 19 Dec 2020 | ||
| Andreas Kunstmann | “We want them infected:” Emails show White House sought to promote spread of COVID-19 https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/18/pers-d18.html | 08:31:00 |
| 20 Dec 2020 | ||
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| 22 Dec 2020 | ||
| @jlj:matrix.org changed their profile picture. | 21:22:18 | |