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| 29 Jul 2020 | ||
 Email Notifier | David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/0fb07488-0942-4fca-9706-c621483b17a8 ping ? posting test. are you serious with censoring my prev e-mail ? | 07:30:39 |
| Email Notifier | <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> Re: [hackerspaces] HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/ea6630f2-1ef8-4125-83af-e6a8cd5ad459 I got the email... | 07:32:54 |
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| Email Notifier | David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/a2d16b8a-b0bb-4de3-9990-48d28e18d670 ( I'v found my error : I replied to Mitch instead of the list. Here it goes. (aggressive style on purpose, but I'm a quite guy "normally") Thanks for the answers from the list, Mitch didn't answer which, again, is for me a lack of respect but "quite understandable" of course. If you let me talk I won't disapoint anyone. | 09:05:55 |
| Email Notifier | <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/ebf7142a-ca40-4e1a-9376-d5bf0038ca96 I am a bit taken aback by your attack towards the messenger in this case Mitch... also I find this writing style incoherent, you say you want to give a talk at this event, then surely you need to go on the event website and sort it out from there. You also say you want to express some disappointment about your experience at the TETALAB and yet there is nothing in the email about it... if there are lessons in your experience that other hackerspaces may benefit from then please go ahead and explain more in detail what these are. Might I add that references to suicide should be avoided unless you are serious and this is a cry for help in that case please take care of yourself and find the right number to call in your area: https://www.cnet.com/health/suicide-hotlines-crisis-hotlines-to-call-or-text-when-you-need-help/ Love Aimee | 09:13:55 |
| Email Notifier | David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/15a09e0a-16e4-4068-806d-e7f51b418a5b ok. done. It's like full. it's the subject of the talk, too long to explain right now by e-mail. ok. done. I'm under treatment. Love. Aimee | 09:31:08 |
| Email Notifier | Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/4e7dcd99-1b58-4dcd-bd95-9116be7e2a7f My Dear David, Please, calm your heart. Keep rational and sane. Hope you are feeling better now, after sending your last message. All the HOPE 2020 Staff are pretty busy now. I know Mitch in person and, believe me, in this moment, he is more worried about making HOPE being an amazing experience to anyone than about verifying his email's inbox. He is an awesome person and I do love him very, very much. He teached me how to solder correctly (I was a disaster!), how to meditate, how to talk Spanish with a pretty sexy accent, how to dye my hair (blue and violet now!), and how to be a good hacker: - he is curious, pure at heart, loyal to friends, always trying to share his knowledge sincerely... <3 So, please, it was not a lack of respect. It was certainly an usual lack of time. Darling, I am deeply sorry, but "FUCKIN LET ME TALK !" are not the magic words for make part of HOPE 2020. It was pretty impolite and unpleasant. Respect other people, please. You mentioned "suicide". Pretty impressive, but it is _not_ a magic word too, sorry. Are you Brazilian, David? Maybe your parents? Well, I am Brazilian and live in Sao Paulo. You can talk to me in _private_ in _Portuguese_, but I strongly recommend to search for _professional help_ as faster as possible, please. Believe me, suicide is not a good idea. If you want to talk, simply talk. Why talking specially now, in this specific event, about your personal experiences only, will change the world? Please, be well and take care of yourself with tenderness. Keep calm, keep healthy, keep sane. <3 Ceci Sao Paulo - SP Brazil | 10:39:26 |
| Email Notifier | J. Grenzfurthner [Das Ende der Nahrungskette] <jg@monochrom.at> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/e8f6c4a6-4730-4eef-837a-33e4623c91d4 David! Please calm down! There was a submission deadline for talks and workshops long ago, and there is a commitee that decides what talks and workshops will be picked. So it's not Mitch alone. And there are WAY more people submitting a talk than are actually accepted to the conference. It's all not that easy, and please don't expect Mitch to reply _during_ a conference. The next HOPE will be in 2 years. All the best. Johannes | 10:46:54 |
| Email Notifier | Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/c3cd069d-b7af-4842-aebe-a36532f65675 On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 06:31 David Venancio de Campos < metabaron@massmulti.org> wrote: Thank you, Aimee. <3 I am glad to read you are under treatment, David. I will give you my cellphone number in private, just in case, okay? :* Be well, darling. <3 | 10:50:29 |
| Email Notifier | David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/dc1bf54b-5919-47f1-9c70-4dd08b72d451 No, I won't calm down. But I love your way. Thanks. The fact is : I could ask to close the Tetalab under french law, and I'm not doing it. Reason : UN-DEMOCRATIC BEHAVIOR. I COULD CLOSE THE TETALAB ALONE. Again I won't do it. Instead I would like 10mn of flash-talk to explain what happened. I want, like this, to PERFECT the Tetalab ! Don't be afraid, I'm mentally strong enough, and got all my logic working. Mitch posted a few years ago about "reaching out". That's what it looks like. | 11:01:28 |
| Email Notifier | <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/f540caaa-0d2a-4b36-9e80-93eb5695d8a0 David, unfortunately you are still being very cryptic about what happened. Unless you are more specific no one can offer any real feedback. Love Aimee | 11:17:51 |
| Email Notifier | David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/9a7128b0-907d-41a3-8cf1-62289c02ab62 One or two persons bypassed the democratic process to put me out. In France you don't play with Democracy. ASSOCIATIONS LOI 1901 : PILAR OF FRENCH DEMOCRACY. (not the representative parliament : ASSOCIATIONS which do things where government cannot go : "by citizens for citizens.") That is why I could ask for the Tetalab to close at Toulouse's "Palais de Justice". I have witnesses and proofs. Furthermore I could ask for "DIFAMATION" money. Which I'm not going to. I SAY THAT CANNOT BE ANYMORE ! NOT All the Lab turned against me, but the "Bureau" decided to put me out without asking anything to all the members. Now to complotists out-there : I'm not from the french government neither a spy or anything close to that. AND THIS E-MAILS ARE THE PROOF I COULD DO HARM TO THE LAB AND NOT DOING IT. | 11:32:07 |
| Email Notifier | Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/3d5e5b8d-f605-4d66-afe7-4269547fa632 I thank you too. I was worried and getting an answer is calming. Well, now you have my cell number. I will need to reinstall a lot of apps. Do you have some preference? Update: - Read your private message, darling! You are a nice guy and I am happy for meeting you. I think it's important to explain to the list that you are a cool guy in a bad writing day... I have lots of them, aaall the time, hahaha!!! ;D David did _not_ want to be aggressive or too dramatic in his first message and I am asking excuses for him because he is pretty cute. He is a nice hacker who loves 3D printing. <3 He wants to share his passion with other hackers. Learn and research more about it, maybe teaching it... :D Well, my darling, you need to consider what Johannes said before. It is _not_ just Mitch. HOPE is a conference with a great staff, several people working together. No one can change something about the conference's content alone, dear. I am happy you are feeling mentally well. Someday, in the future, maybe we can create a page for talking about the bullying in hackerspaces. I lived it. Mitch lived it. David lived it. Three different countries, three different persons, three traumatic experiences. Much love, peace, and health, everybody!!! Disinfected kisses and hugs!!! <3 Ceci | 11:37:01 |
| Email Notifier | <aimee@ecohackerfarm.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/25f75597-de16-4ca7-ba8b-453fda12b259 Sadly I perceive that you are shouting and I am unable in this moment to process this, neither do I have the time or energy to talk you down from this state of anger / frustration. I would be happy to listen / read what you have to say when you are able to express is in a more coherent way. | 11:45:17 |
| Email Notifier | <ijon@c-base.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/b09cffb0-c869-42b4-83ad-2cb2c091ab99 WTF. I think I want to add my 2 cents here... I briefly checked the french structure of associations - it does not say that the associations have to be democractic in itself. Just that they are a pillar of the french democracy. But that does not translate to the internal structure of associations. Also I checked the manual / "RTFM" page of the space - also there it does not say, that its democratic on the inside. So I dont think you have any grounds to stand on, or I havent found where it said in writing, that in this specific association the throwing out of people has to be democratic. Also: "threatening to attempt to close the association" is the worst behaviour I can imagine for any space. Based on these grounds alone, I would ask you to leave the space (where I am a member and can do so). If the issue can not be resolved through peaceful discussion, then "leaving" is the better option. or to put it more cleary: Threaten my space, and you lose all credibility immediately and also you loose all willingness of mine to even attempt a resolution. One can not be toxic to better anything. Toxicity always is infectious. If I would be part of the bureau of this space, after these emails, there would not be any question left in my mind wether you should go or not. Also, demanding a slot for a talk in this behaviour, to present accusations towards a hackerspace, after failing to resolve these issues in person in the hackerspace itself is really bad style. The way you are presenting your accusations in these emails are also very unstructured, does not have enough details. It looks like this is not the whole story, because you are leaving way too much out. On this alone I would never grant you a slot on any event - because I am not convinced, that you would even attempt to present the whole story and not just those bits where you feel unjustly treated. No one gets kicked out of a hackerspace without very good reasons and a long backstory. I have perceived these communities in the past as usually extremly inclusive, where even (some) bad behaviour is attributed to personality quirks and overlooked, with the goal of having a peaceful community. Usually shit has to be piled on shit and then some, before a space decides to invest the time, discussion and process to throw someone out. As this is volunteer time, its most likely only then invested, when there seems to be absolutely no other option, and only then when "letting it slip" is no option anymore. cheers ijon | 12:34:08 |
| Email Notifier | hellekin <hellekin@hackerspaces.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/140a459f-a864-4dd9-a6fd-59a2201a2cef Hey there, Metabaron, I understand you're upset, but I don't understand how you intend to receive support crying wolf, attacking people around, or making spurious claims about democracy. You're obviously not acting in full consciousness of the consequences of your actions. This seems to be a matter between you and the Tetalab. There's no reason for you nor anyone on this list to take parts, especially given your toxic behavior. I've known you online for more than a decade, and met you at THSF. What you're doing now does not reflect your usual behavior. I suggest you take some distance from Tetalab and hackerspaces, take a break and enjoy Summer a bit before coming back with a cool head and something valuable to share with your peers. If you need help and support, please take it off list, I know Cecilia to be a very kind person and an excellent listener. Please don't get yourself carried out by what's going on at the Tetalab: life does not end there. Cheers, == hk | 12:41:41 |
| Email Notifier | Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/ac0ea385-c18b-47b7-9e75-7e2bb00e44d9 On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 09:41 hellekin wrote: Hi hellekin! I was missing you! <3 If you need help and support, please take it And I also cook very well. :) | 13:26:49 |
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| Email Notifier | David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/53173f78-c38c-4963-9bff-095559818149 Hi, bad. ho? so you know better than a french guy how build 3 associations ? hmhm. *SIC* : hopefully it's mandatory in ANY association loi 1901. you STFU. didnt read further. (oh! let me see i just read what?) yes it is. I said I could do it. exact. your wrong. inverting what I said. I WON'T DO IT. NEVER. understood ? FAILCON ? know that concept ? 1 point at least in all this mail. ok sure. but you don't know what happened and don't want me to tell... Censorship? .|. -_- .|. yeh go drink. that's it. see ya not ! on my side, I'll forget that stupid idea and thanks to you, I'm laughing. | 07:15:56 |
| Email Notifier | David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/ad3b0895-edc2-4570-92c3-1a38387eae64 +1 | 07:28:15 |
| Email Notifier | David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/dd5beec5-0a1e-4fbd-af0e-1187582c4634 btw I changed my nickname already 3 years AGO to meta4 (that's why I'm always mistaking on "from" field) it's ok. just got this to say : guys... you don't understand. by TALKING I could have said a lot more details. 10mn would be short but ok. now that I have my thread here... Let me just tell this informations : I built 3 associations from the ground up. And have the documentation in head. Sorry every one, but I'm right and know it. Forget my idea about the talk. I HAVE BETTER TO DO ! I'll be visiting portugues hackerspaces soon. And btw, TetaLab is a UBBER COOL PLACE. you guys think I want to do harm are paranoid and don't know me. Does anyone know me here ? (hellekin saw me) (sry to invoque u bro) (ok we where writing at the same time) | 07:41:41 |
| Email Notifier | Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/0cef2a9a-0bd2-466f-ac40-ffe9fc0dd457 Hi, David. Good morning for you and hackerspaces.org list! Hope everybody is feeling awesome today! <3 Talking with you was enough for noticing that you are very deeply _hurt_, feeling excruciating pain, but are _not_ a bad guy, neither a harmful or toxic person. Does anyone know me here ? (hellekin saw me) (sry to invoque u bro) hellekin is busy at the moment because of the conference, but he does know you really are a good person or he would never give my name and recommendations about me to you, darling. <3 He trusts you and I trust him. That was the reason why I've invited him for having dinner with me yesterday, hahaha!! I don't know how, when, where, but I cook very well. Someday, in some country, I don't know... :D Now, I confess I am a bit jealous... Beach, babies, and skates... Three lovely awesome things together, oooooh!!! <3 <3 <3 Get some fun, please. Be happy, my darling, and make happy your loved ones. Please, take care of yourself with tenderness, not only for you, but also for those who you love. <3 I will be around if you need me. Maybe with some retard, but I am here for you, okay? :* Kisses, be well, David! Take care, everybody! <3 Ceci | 12:04:24 |
| Email Notifier | David Venancio de Campos <metabaron@massmulti.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/af2fbbff-48e5-4fd2-abc1-cc9f9841e347 ! Rock on ! Sry for the "bruit". o> <3. . | 21:02:51 |
| Email Notifier | Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/7ab1bef4-02af-45fe-8560-a91a3a6f57ba You are human, David. It happens. A bit of noise is part of life. <3. Much love for you. Take care and be well, please. And never forget your loved ones, your dreams - "babies", woohoo!! - , your hobbies, your life... Always remember: - Life is fascinating, even in the worst moments! <3 ps: oh fuck that old nickname "metabaron". I'll even create another May I give you a humble suggestion, darling? I will fuck your old nickname in an easier and faster way when you use your another email address - meta4 at massmulti dot org , you know - more frequently, hihihi... See above, sweetie! ;D If you need something, contact me _in private_ please. I think you and the list need a break, my dear friend. Oh, just in case, I am very sleepy since yesterday. Forgive me in case of deep silence. I will be zzzleeping because I do need my beauty sleep, zzz... nom nom...(- _ -)*zzz Kisses, hugs, and ice cream, darling! Enjoy the Summer! Here is Winter! <3 Ceci | 22:17:29 |
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| Email Notifier | hellekin <hellekin@hackerspaces.org> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/2cce24b9-6b62-4750-a4dc-a2f63d6458c7 Hey Ceci Not the HOPE conference though: I'm working to promote /run (Resist Uniform Normality), a federation of local events for humans ;o) Cheers! == hk | 09:23:12 |
| Email Notifier | Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> Re: [hackerspaces] Fwd: Re: HOPE 2020 is live, and free for the next 9 days! View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/abe94233-5031-4e3c-9811-9d1ab3afb4f3 Whoops! Pardon my mistake! :B Well... You could promote /run with more details in another thread... I think most of members here are still human beings. (A list full of boring bots is a true nightmare, hellekin! Hated the experience!) Disinfected tender kisses and straight warm hugs! Take care and be well, please. <3 Ceci PS: - Hey hellekin... The dinner was _not_ a romantic invitation at all. I just want to listen some fun hackerspaces stories and thank you for your eternal patience with me. You can take with you wife/wives, husband/s, girlfriend/s, boyfriend/s, lover/s, pet/s, plant/s, ET/s, whatever. :D Just take care for avoiding my death and/or painful injuries, please. I have pretty strong allergies to deeply jealous people. I don't know the reason, but they seem to hate me... :P | 12:53:47 |
| Email Notifier | Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> [hackerspaces] A Toxic Truth: Children’s Exposure to Lead Pollution View this message online at https://email.t2bot.io/m/cc8e116a-c4cc-4d79-91e3-50440a2046ba Hi Friends, A problem to motivate future hacker projects: *6.1 million *The estimated number of homes in the United States that still get their water supply from lead pipes, according to a new report from UNICEF. The report, which estimates 1 in 3 children worldwide have elevated levels of lead in the blood, said that lead in water is a common source of contamination. Lead can be especially dangerous when exposed to children, who absorb 4 to 5 times more of the lead that enters their bodies than adults. Elevated blood levels can potentially have lifelong socio-economic implications for children, the report said, including educational outcomes, violence, future wages, and children’s social and economic potential in life. /Report UNICEF : / /https://www.unicef.org/sites/default/files/2020-07/The-toxic-truth-children’s-exposure-to-lead-pollution-2020.pdf / | 15:02:18 |
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