| 17 Apr 2021 |
 steiner47 | Natural selection is not a problem, too. It can be observed | 18:57:51 |
| steiner47 | I think the main problem with evolution lies in the source of new information that occur within the organism | 18:58:06 |
 Dr. Robinson | * Or do you have some other notion of evolution in mind? | 18:58:12 |
| steiner47 | They justify it by saying "random mutations" | 18:58:24 |
| steiner47 | My question: has it been observed that random mutations can add new informations to organisms? | 18:58:45 |
| steiner47 | How did we know this? | 18:58:58 |
| steiner47 | What if they are not random in the sense that it is an adaptablity feature in the organism itself? | 18:59:15 |
| steiner47 | i.e: it is a biological feature hidden in its DNA | 18:59:33 |
| Dr. Robinson | Teleology is a theory that Aristotle discusses which some people apply to evolution. It's one way to possibly account for the directionality that evolution may appear to have | 19:00:42 |
| Dr. Robinson | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin's_Black_Box | 19:02:18 |
| Dr. Robinson | This is a book written by a biochemist which argues against the notion that random mutation can be an Effective cause for patterns of evolution | 19:03:25 |
| steiner47 | Ok? | 19:03:43 |
| steiner47 | So, what is the conclusion from all of this? | 19:04:11 |
| steiner47 | What does evolution state? If random mutations are excluded from its theory, then evolution is just natural selection | 19:04:34 |
| Dr. Robinson | He seems to favor the theory of intelligent design but not in theological terms but more in line with Aristotle's idea of teleos | 19:05:24 |
| steiner47 | ok? then...? | 19:05:47 |
| Dr. Robinson | In reply to @steiner47:matrix.org
i.e: it is a biological feature hidden in its DNA Perhaps you can elaborate on what you mean by this. How would there be hidden features within the DNA? Are you suggesting that DNA has within itself the full range of all possibilities or something like that | 19:06:55 |
| steiner47 | Let's say that bacteria started showing immunity against an antibiotic. | 19:08:00 |
| steiner47 | Instead of saying the bacteria has evolved and changed its DNA, What if the bacteria has an adaption for high levels of sality or pH? | 19:08:51 |
| steiner47 | salinity* | 19:09:10 |
| steiner47 | Some of the bacteria that did not adapt well, simply died. The other survived using the genes inside their DNA. | 19:10:04 |
| steiner47 | They have not evolved | 19:10:07 |
| Dr. Robinson | If bacteria were eternal perhaps that would make sense but in terms of evolutionary theory you have to account for the fact that bacteria emerged from something other than itself. Different species have different DNA, that's one way you can differentiate one species from another | 19:13:01 |
| Dr. Robinson | Darwin's whole concern was the Origins of Species. How is it that new life-forms come into existence with DNA that differentiates itself from other life forms? | 19:14:38 |
| Dr. Robinson | https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/teleology-biology/ | 21:20:42 |
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