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13 Dec 2018
04:58:28@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] KittyCat: Epic: *Blocks said tools from working*
04:58:31@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] KittyCat: Epic: We're scared of Microsoft's dominance on PC gaming
08:00:17@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[discord] Lysol: Wtf. For real?
08:00:23@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[discord] Lysol: How stupid is this?
08:52:04@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Ananace: And people wonder why I'm a fan of Steam
08:53:27@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Ananace: The interface might be dated, and they should definitely get better about divulging information. But they most definitely aren't as anti-consumer or anti- non-Windows as any other store or larger gaming company.
08:56:04@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Ananace: Itch.io is really nice, but also really small and with a limited assortment of games. I'd also quite like them to have a proper user rating/review/discussion system, one that's easily reachable for every game - much like Steam.
08:56:44@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] KittyCat: I'm not the biggest fan of Steam. they've certainly gained some points with me because of Proton and Steam Play, but they are still fundamentally pushing online DRM
08:57:23@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] KittyCat: no, games don't technically have to use it, but they're given incentives to
09:32:33@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Sho_: I've worked with Valve's Linux people
09:32:37@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Sho_: They're fantastic
11:02:13@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] serpn: yep, much like the Intel opensource teams, easy to deal with and real people
12:15:39@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Ananace: I understand people's point about DRM, but I honestly think Steam is being nicest about it. Heck, if you ever decide to become a steamworks developer their start page even explicitly states that the best DRM you should try for is to update often enough that pirates will be left in the dust
12:16:04* @OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge [irc] jvoisin: points at gog
12:16:13@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] jvoisin: speaking of being the nicest about drm
12:16:23@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Ananace: Oh god, not before they actually have a client on Linux
12:16:30@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] jvoisin: client?
12:16:34@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Ananace: The reason "Update often" works for Steam is because they can distribute the updates easily
12:17:08@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Ananace: GoG galaxy - still not out for Linux
12:17:20@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] jvoisin: I don't know how much I would trust something that can download and execute arbitrary code from the internet tbh
12:17:33@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] jvoisin: I'm fine with manual signed downloads
12:17:38@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] KittyCat: and there are games that need GoG Galaxy for certain features
12:18:10@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Ananace: Why would it need to be able to execute arbitrary code?
12:18:16@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] Ananace: The only update client that works like that I know of is dpkg/rpm/etc
12:18:42@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] KittyCat: what do you mean by "execute arbitrary code"?
12:18:45@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] jvoisin: rpm/apt are open-sauce, checking binary signatures, …
12:19:14@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] jvoisin: I wouldn't put the same amount of trust in gog galaxy
12:22:22@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] jvoisin: arbitrary code as in "I silently updated your game"
12:23:35@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] jvoisin: so next time you'll run it, arbitrary code exec
12:24:12@OpenMW-Bridge:matrix.orgOpenMW-Bridge[irc] jvoisin: instead of having a signed binary, so that if it's malicious, you can prove that it's coming from gog

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