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9 Mar 2021
@willghatch:matrix.orgwillghatchAnyway, I hope you're enjoying Rash!17:17:03
@bostx123:matrix.orgbostx123

Anyway, I hope you're enjoying Rash!

:) that's so to say one of my motivation or a "vehicle" why and how to learn Racket :)

17:18:08
@bostx123:matrix.orgbostx123The other one being that "language to write languages" but it looks like the path to get there is a longer one.17:19:11
@bostx123:matrix.orgbostx123
In reply to @github:maunium.net
[willghatch/racket-rash] willghatch pushed 2 commits to master:
So yeah, thanks for the moment Will and I guess I'll keep on studying rash source code, and while being at it I'll try to send you a few DRY patches along the way.
17:25:27
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] willghatch opened issue #82: Relicensing Rash

I've decided I want to relicense Rash to match Racket. When I started Rash I used the same license that Racket then had (GPL-3), but Racket has since relicensed to dual licensing MIT and Apache 2. I think there are some benefits to having libraries share the same license as the host language, so I'm switching.

I'm no legal expert, but I'm going to do what Racket did and ask all contributors to reply giving their permission to relicense their contributions and listing the email addresses they used for Rash.

Something like:

I, William Hatch, give permission to license my contributions to Rash under MIT/Apache 2. I've used the email address william@hatch.uno.

Thanks!

17:28:23
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] willghatch commented on issue #82: Relicensing Rash:

@vityou @AlexKnauth @BostX @lexi-lambda @Colelyman @octplane @jgarte @bennn @jasperpilgrim

17:29:27
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] AlexKnauth commented on issue #82: Relicensing Rash:

I, Alex Knauth, give permission to license my contributions to Rash under MIT/Apache 2. I've used the email address alexander at knauth dot org.

17:32:38
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] Bost commented on issue #82: Relicensing Rash:

I, Rostislav Svoboda, give permission to license my contributions to Rash under MIT/Apache 2. I've used the email address Rostislav.Svoboda at gmail dot com.

17:41:14
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] jasperpilgrim commented on issue #82: Relicensing Rash:

I, Jasper Pilgrim, give permission to license my contributions to Rash under MIT/Apache 2. I've used the email address jasperpilgrim at gmail dot com.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:41 AM Bost notifications@github.com wrote:

I, Rostislav Svoboda, give permission to license my contributions to Rash under MIT/Apache 2. I've used the email address Rostislav.Svoboda at gmail dot com.

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19:12:17
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] jasperpilgrim edited their comment on issue #82: Relicensing Rash 19:13:16
10 Mar 2021
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] Colelyman commented on issue #82: Relicensing Rash:

I, Cole Lyman, give permission to license my contributions to Rash under MIT/Apache 2. I've used the email address cole at colelyman dot com.

17:04:45
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] vityou commented on issue #82: Relicensing Rash:

I, Zachary Lee, give permission to license my contributions to Rash under MIT/Apache 2. I've used the email address zlee314@gmail.com.

17:18:57
11 Mar 2021
@jgarte:matrix.org@jgarte:matrix.org
In reply to @willghatch:matrix.org
Yeah... unfortunately Rash does assume some Racket knowledge. I'd like to make better tutorial material for people coming to Rash from different backgrounds to help with that. But I'm not sure when I'll get around to such a thing...
What sort of things would you like to demonstrate in these tutorials?
04:09:03
@jgarte:matrix.org@jgarte:matrix.org
In reply to @willghatch:matrix.org
Yeah... unfortunately Rash does assume some Racket knowledge. I'd like to make better tutorial material for people coming to Rash from different backgrounds to help with that. But I'm not sure when I'll get around to such a thing...
* What sort of things would you like to demonstrate in these tutorials? I'm just curious what particulars would be idiomatic to demo in the rash docs?
04:10:55
@jgarte:matrix.org@jgarte:matrix.org * What sort of things would you like to demonstrate in these tutorials? I'm curious what particulars would be idiomatic to demo in the rash docs?04:11:11
@jgarte:matrix.org@jgarte:matrix.org * What sort of things would you like to demonstrate in these tutorials? I'm curious what particulars would be idiomatic/ideal to demo in the rash docs?04:11:21
12 Mar 2021
@willghatch:matrix.orgwillghatch
In reply to @jgarte:matrix.org
What sort of things would you like to demonstrate in these tutorials? I'm curious what particulars would be idiomatic/ideal to demo in the rash docs?
Well, I'm thinking about docs for people coming with different backgrounds. If I think about several hypothetical people who might be interested in Rash there could be people who know Racket and Bash, people who know Racket but don't have little shell experience, and people who know Bash or other shells but have little or no Racket experience. I should probably write a guide for each of those audiences. Also I ought to write more about how to accomplish various things in Rash and motivating why you might want to. Both in terms of “how do I do thing X that I already know how to do in Bash”, and “Rash has feature Y that other shells don't have, why would I want to use it, and how would I go about it?”.
03:58:31
@willghatch:matrix.orgwillghatchI think part of the reason why I haven't written better documentation yet is that each time I think about it, I think, “oh, this corner of Rash isn't great, I don't want to write about that, I want to make it better first”. So... then I do nothing. I should merge all my pending branches that fix some of those issues and just write the docs.03:58:39
@nojyuum:matrix.orgYuumkansaj🤔💭04:00:15
@willghatch:matrix.orgwillghatchAs for what I would demo... there are a lot of things, little and big, that Rash solves compared to other shells. I should make a list of some of those and come up with good demo examples. Some things that I always mention are things like structured data (which Powershell does well, but not other shells like Bash), or command line parsing (every shell script ought to do this, but it's a pain in most shell languages. Frankly, I also want a better Racket command line parsing library, which has been discussed here before, but what Racket has now is already so much better than what Bash offers), anything that requires computation of arguments is way better in Rash than most shells (eg. a good example here is fussing with paths -- I have to do that so often in shell scripts but in Bash its painful and slow as I have to shell out to dirname/basename and do awkward string manipulation with arcane syntax), including fancy “substitutions” (well, these are frankly more a fun demo than something realistically useful as far as I can tell), ...04:06:41
@nojyuum:matrix.orgYuumkansaj"Bash its painful and slow as I have to shell out to dirname/basename and do awkward string manipulation with arcane syntax" <- one of my more prominent painpoints04:10:54
14 Mar 2021
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] noweb-user commented on issue #74: [Windows] libedit-3.dll issues:

Thanks for the info! I was able to build it by installing a 32-bit Racket 8.0 BC, the latest available on the website today. Any 32-bit version should do. I believe this might be almost required because it's not easy to find a 64-bit version of readline 5.0. (Unless one is willing to compile it oneself, which might not be too difficult, but I wanted to avoid the task.) I found a 64-bit version of readline 8.0, which does not seem to work with 64-bit rash-repl.exe.

For the future reader, here are the steps. Install 32-bit Racket, installed readline-gpl (raco pkg install readline-gpl), then install rash (raco pkg install rash). In the output produced, you should the path for your rash-repl.exe. For 64-bit versions, you'd be better off compiling readline by yourself and I'd choose version 5.0 because version 8.0 doesn't seem to work and I am not confident readline 6.0 would, although the closer to 5.0 the better --- I suppose. Good luck!

William, you can close this issue if you'd like. Thank you again.

00:27:16
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] willghatch commented on issue #74: [Windows] libedit-3.dll issues:

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 04:27:27PM -0800, noweb-user wrote:

Thanks for the info! I was able to build it by installing a 32-bit Racket 8.0 BC, the latest available on the website today. Any 32-bit version should do. I believe this might be almost required because it's not easy to find a 64-bit version of readline 5.0. (Unless one is willing to compile it oneself, which might not be too difficult, but I wanted to avoid the task.) I found a 64-bit version of readline 8.0, which does not seem to work with 64-bit rash-repl.exe.

For the future reader, here are the steps. Install 32-bit Racket, installed readline-gpl (raco pkg install readline-gpl), then install rash (raco pkg install rash). In the output produced, you should the path for your rash-repl.exe. For 64-bit versions, you'd be better off compiling readline by yourself and I'd choose version 5.0 because version 8.0 doesn't seem to work and I am not confident readline 6.0 would, although the closer to 5.0 the better --- I suppose. Good luck!

Cool, I'm glad you found a solution, and thank you for posting it!

William, you can close this issue if you'd like. Thank you again.

I think I'll leave it open until I resolve the line editing solution, because people keep having problems like this. So leaving the issue open will hopefully give the solution more visibility.

05:20:04
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] noweb-user edited their comment on issue #74: [Windows] libedit-3.dll issues 09:36:39
15 Mar 2021
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] willghatch pushed 1 commit to master:
  • 0f926499 rash docs: improve docs about where the rc files are
16:42:47
16 Mar 2021
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] willghatch pushed 1 commit to master:
  • c40c5adf docs: further clarify rashrc location for Windows
15:43:47
17 Mar 2021
@github:maunium.netGitHub [willghatch/racket-rash] bennn commented on issue #82: Relicensing Rash:

I, Ben Greenman, give permission to license my contributions to Rash under MIT/Apache 2. I've used the email address benjaminlgreenman@gmail.com

MIT:

Copyright 2014–2021 Ben Greenman Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.

Apache 2

Copyright 2014–2021 Ben Greenman Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied. See the License for the specific language governing permissions and limitations under the License.
14:29:02
26 Mar 2021
@jgarte:matrix.org@jgarte:matrix.org willghatch: Are you familiar with jet? I just thought I'd share as there might be some nice ideas there to port to rash. 16:25:44
@jgarte:matrix.org@jgarte:matrix.org * willghatch: Are you familiar with jet? I just thought I'd share as there might be some nice ideas there to port for a rash demo/tutorial 16:46:06
@pmatos:igalia.com@pmatos:igalia.com changed their display name from pmatos to pmatos (holidays - back April 5).17:22:13

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