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| makingthematrix#9466 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sbt_(software)
This page feels very old. It mentions the Lift web framework, Scala 2.9, and calls Lighbend Typesafe.
It's also oddly specific in some places and its general overview of how sbt works is not very good.
I think I'd like to update it, but I would need someone with better sbt knowledge to help me. | 15:14:08 |
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| velvetbaldmime#6377 | Dependency management using Apache Ivy, which supports Maven-format repositories
ooof | 15:14:30 |
| makingthematrix#9466 | I plan to learn more about sbt, and writing a new version of this page would be a good motivation for me 🙂 | 15:15:10 |
| makingthematrix#9466 | "Scala's commercial outlet, Lightbend Inc.," ... | 15:16:14 |
| velvetbaldmime#6377 | it's funny how SBT's page has a "criticism" section, but not Maven or Gradle.. | 15:17:07 |
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| armanbilge#6192 | lol | 15:17:19 |
| makingthematrix#9466 | Gradle's wikipage is very small, tbh | 15:18:08 |
| velvetbaldmime#6377 | funny how Maven was first released in 2004, and SBT in 2008, and yet one is called "rather young" 😄 | 15:18:36 |
| velvetbaldmime#6377 | Anyways, I see your point, the wiki page is wildly out of date | 15:18:46 |
| makingthematrix#9466 | funny how Maven was first released in 2004, and SBT in 2008, and yet one is called "rather young"
Good catch 🙂 I guess, everything that uses XML is automatically regarded as "old"?... | 15:23:33 |
 Tobias Roeser | Oh no, Mill does not have it's own Wikipedia entry 😲 | 15:51:32 |
| velvetbaldmime#6377 | lol https://www.infoq.com/news/2008/01/maven-debate/
in the "quotes" section replace "Maven" with "SBT" and see how many of the quotes stop making sense.. | 16:39:36 |
 SethTisue#7418 | I just fixed some of the more obvious problems: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sbt_(software)&diff=1123069850&oldid=1103899186 | 16:48:57 |
| SethTisue#7418 | but it could definitely use more work. glad to hear that you're interested in making improvements | 16:50:24 |
| makingthematrix#9466 | SethTisue : I'm just writing a talk proposal for Devoxx Paris 2023, in April. If it's accepted, justin and I will make an overview of build tools other than Maven and Gradle. So I will be doing some research and writing anyway. | 16:53:23 |
| SethTisue#7418 | are you aware of the "history of build tools" talk that Josh et al gave at a Scala Days a while back? | 16:53:46 |
| makingthematrix#9466 | No 😄 Thanks for the info! | 16:54:38 |
| SethTisue#7418 | lemme find the link | 16:54:44 |
| SethTisue#7418 | A brief (incomplete and mostly wrong) history of build tools, Eugene Yokota and Josh Suereth, Scala Days 2016
still trying to find the actual video | 16:57:13 |
| SethTisue#7418 | hmm, so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slkV-9uClUU&t=94s is Scala Days 2015, so maybe it's simply an error that it's listed as Scala Days 2016 at https://www.scala-sbt.org/learn.html — you might drop Eugene a line to double-check if that YouTube link is the final/best version | 16:59:29 |
| makingthematrix#9466 | Great. I will. Thank you. | 17:00:49 |
| SethTisue#7418 | on the sbt page, I also just submitted https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sbt_(software)&diff=1123071808&oldid=1123069850 to improve (IMO) the "Criticisms" section, including renaming the section and removing ancient information | 17:05:52 |
| som-snytt | The page is so up-to-date, it falsely claims 1.8.0 was released last July. | 17:33:34 |
| som-snytt | oh I see the edit is in progress... I would also amend "it's often compared to maven", which circular, as the article begins, "sbt is like maven." | 17:34:45 |
