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26 Feb 2021
@logicsoup:matrix.orglogicsoup Any ideas for Hack’n’Learn projects we could hack on collectively? There’s a lot to do in the Rust open source ecosystem - we can brainstorm and list project ideas & then start working on them during the event (or before). Just a thought! 22:04:04
27 Feb 2021
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarI will let veterans lead on this one16:36:11
@logicsoup:matrix.orglogicsoupWe also don’t have to do this at all. I think the way our first Hack’n’Learn worked was fine as well.22:48:49
28 Feb 2021
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarI wasnt there, can You quickly sum it up what You did?05:56:26
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidar* I wasnt there, can You quickly sum it up what You did?06:36:42
1 Mar 2021
@logicsoup:matrix.orglogicsoupEveryone worked on their own projects, people asked questions, etc12:17:15
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarAlright15:23:58
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarHow about a shared project where one thing is built and bits are delegated to individuals. There is a mentor and once someone finishes their part will move around and help others15:25:24
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarMight be too complicated, ignore18:02:31
2 Mar 2021
@istvan:baytech.communityIstvan
In reply to @raidar:matrix.org
How about a shared project where one thing is built and bits are delegated to individuals. There is a mentor and once someone finishes their part will move around and help others
what you described is very similar to what we did at RustFest (called "impl days"), and is something that Rust London was also experimenting with:
https://twitter.com/algo_luca/status/1357077926555049987
12:07:45
@istvan:baytech.communityIstvanAll in all I would be interested in experimenting with more cooperative ways to do hack&learns online but it's actually quite a lot of work (both ahead of time and during the event), and the online tooling is a bit lacking to do really great experiences :/12:09:13
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarSounds fun! I am willing to help to the best of my abilities in prepping it13:01:24
@logicsoup:matrix.orglogicsoup
Vastuseks kasutajale @istvan:baytech.community
All in all I would be interested in experimenting with more cooperative ways to do hack&learns online but it's actually quite a lot of work (both ahead of time and during the event), and the online tooling is a bit lacking to do really great experiences :/
I agree. I certainly don’t have the time right now to do this, but the way our first Hack’n’Learn worked is still much better than nothing. As we progress further, we can try introducing more cooperative structures
14:47:01
@logicsoup:matrix.orglogicsoup
Vastuseks kasutajale @raidar:matrix.org
Sounds fun! I am willing to help to the best of my abilities in prepping it
Thank you, but I think we shouldn’t get ahead of ourselves right now. Also, sometimes involving more people in organizing events (especially right now that it’s just an online hangout) introduces more work, but your enthusiasm is appreciated :)
14:48:59
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarJust out of curiosity. How many more "idiots" like me are in this community who are relatively new to programming and decided to pick up Rust?16:17:59
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarMight be helpful to figure it out to tailor hack n learn a bit to teach them/me something useful about structuring a Rust program, good coding standards/architecture design and so forth16:20:29
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarAnd by idiot I mean someone who is not a professionsl software developer, but a hobbist like me and try to bite more than they can chew16:21:17
3 Mar 2021
@logicsoup:matrix.orglogicsoupI wouldn't use the word "idiot" for describing anyone who's not a "professional dev" - I understand you didn't mean it in a negative way, but no one is an idiot here, and you also don't have to use this word to describe yourself either. Learning never stops. We have people of all experience levels here. Also, a lot of newcomers to programming or Rust attend the events - even if it's so that no one's a beginner on here, there are other beginners at the events. What you described are valid points when any project is being discussed - but I believe starting out with "structure" rather than making a working solution that's going to be refactored later is harmful to people starting out. If you're a beginner, you need to practice, and that means you will write a lot of "bad" code initially. That's OK. Rust is already structured in a way that making bad design decisions is much harder than writing clean code; I would go into the topic of code structure more when mentoring beginners in C++, but not Rust. Anyway, all of these points come up naturally when some project is discussed, I don't think we need to focus on those things separately during an event.19:45:48
@logicsoup:matrix.orglogicsoupNormally, the simplest architecture & design (relative to the problem it's solving) is always better, in Rust or any other language.19:49:55
@logicsoup:matrix.orglogicsoupWhen I just started out programming, I used to make complex solutions. When you gain more experience, you'll start adding complexity only when it's absolutely necessary. It's absolutely fine though that the code might look overly complicated at the beginning. You need experience with tinkering and just writing a lot of code to start seeing the forest behind the trees19:52:18
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarI was more in line of a happy idiot when I wrote that, in the best possible way possible. It was more of a bad joke looking back. You have good points! Im just spitting ideas, its the best I can contribute at this point20:09:48
@logicsoup:matrix.orglogicsoupThat's ok, I might be too serious - don't want anyone to demean themselves20:13:42
4 Mar 2021
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarSomething I just read that goes really well with what You said "Remember, the goal [for a database in this case] is to provide a useful solution with the minimum amount of work" by Rod Stephens20:03:36
5 Mar 2021
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@logicsoup:matrix.orglogicsoupoosemay: Hi and welcome! How did you find us?22:22:47
@oosemay:matrix.orgoosemayHi! I just used room search in my client with "rust". I'm in search for a cozy newbie-friendly Rust chatroom (and "official" one seem just a bit too overwhelming with its 1000+ participants)22:36:42
6 Mar 2021
@raidar:matrix.orgRaidarWelcome!05:53:39
@flaki:flak.isFlaki
In reply to @oosemay:matrix.org
Hi! I just used room search in my client with "rust". I'm in search for a cozy newbie-friendly Rust chatroom (and "official" one seem just a bit too overwhelming with its 1000+ participants)
I can see that 😶 welcome to Rust Tallinn, I'd say this group definitely fits both the “newbie-friendly” and the small-and-cozy criteria ☺️
08:27:09
@flaki:flak.isFlakiThe Rust Berlin #hack-and-learn:chat.berline.rs might also fit that definition (both the chat group and their regular meetings), you might want to check them out, too 😉08:30:15
12 Mar 2021
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