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25 Jan 2021
@ohellno:matrix.orgohellno* Yeah that's a good way to live. I was mainly just pointing out that raw meat isn't necessarily as scary as everyone seems to believe. I think if animals are to be eaten then there has to be a mutual and energetic relationship with the raising and processing. I think there's a huge difference between eating animals that were raised in a love environment rather than a fear one, symbiosis. This especially applies for things like egg laying chickens. The humans provide for them and nurture them and then they return the love with their eggs. I didn't even know until very recently that eggs from chickens will not grow chickens unless they're fertilized. I also didn't know that the yolk of the egg wasn't what turned into a chicken if it was fertilized. We just recently moved to a property with a decent chunk of land and got 10 laying chickens. They're really cool animals and very similar to dogs imo. I haven't got through that entire book but it definitely taught me some things about the human body. I'm not vegan myself but I do admire the principles and did learn lots of valuable information from veganism. What do you think about being a fruitarian (I think that's what it's called when eating only fruit)? I think that's really probably the most ideal diet after all the information I've came across. Very difficult to accomplish though unless you've got land04:01:15
@ohellno:matrix.orgohellno This is another very long video, but after watching this I learned that I know absolutely nothing practically regarding diet. He talks a lot about only fruit diets in this and some really interesting stuff about how our diets may have changed over the last few hundred years. Starting long ago from a diet that most of us can't even comprehend. It's of course only speculation based on anecdotal information, but maybe people will enjoy it https://youtu.be/p2YOo1kJV7404:04:06
@ohellno:matrix.orgohellno* This is another very long video, but after watching this I learned that I know absolutely nothing practically regarding diet. He talks a lot about only fruit diets in this and some really interesting stuff about how our diets may have changed over the last few hundred years. Starting long ago from a diet that most of us can't even comprehend. It's of course only speculation based on anecdotal information, but maybe people will enjoy it https://youtu.be/p2YOo1kJV7404:04:33
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupitaRedacted or Malformed Event06:59:52
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@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupitaI respect and honor your desire to show love and compassion towards animals. The world would be a much better place I think if more people practiced this compassion they already possess. And so happy you see chickens are very similar to dogs as this connection took me years to understand 🙌 For fruitarianism, the studies in the video below shows how it does resemble the 98.3% veggie, fruit, seed, & nut-based diet of the first 18 million years of our hominid evolution during the Mioscene era instead of just the last 2 million years of the Paleolithic era. Along with 1.7% from mostly insects. Researchers recreated this diet for willing human subjects with incredible results! https://nutritionfacts.org/video/lose-two-pounds-one-sitting-taking-mioscenic-route/ They did cook about 50% of the food as some micronutrients are better absorbed from cooked foods as we discovered during the Paleolithic era. Also I found it's necessary to supplement micronutrients lacking in our modern world such as B12, VitD, DHA, Iodine, Selenium (for N Europeans from 1 daily brazilnut) to cover most nutritional needs: https://nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/12/dr-gregers-2011-optimum-nutrition-recommendations/ Thanks for the video. I'll give it a watch.07:00:35
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* I respect and honor your desire to show love and compassion towards animals. The world would be a much better place I think if more people practiced this compassion they already possess. And so happy you see chickens are very similar to dogs as this connection took me years to understand 🙌 For fruitarianism, the studies in the video below shows how it does resemble the 98.3% veggie, fruit, seed, & nut-based diet of the first 18 million years of our hominid evolution during the Mioscene era instead of just the last 2 million years of the Paleolithic era. Along with 1.7% from mostly insects. Researchers recreated this diet for willing humans subjects with incredible results! https://nutritionfacts.org/video/lose-two-pounds-one-sitting-taking-mioscenic-route/ They did cook about 50% of the food as some micronutrients are better absorbed from cooked foods as we discovered during the Paleolithic era. Also I found it's necessary to supplement micronutrients lacking in our modern world such as B12, VitD, DHA, Iodine, Selenium (for N Europeans from 1 daily brazilnut) to cover most nutritional needs: https://nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/12/dr-gregers-2011-optimum-nutrition-recommendations/ Thanks for the video. I'll give it a watch.07:02:23
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* I respect and honor your desire to show love and compassion towards animals. The world would be a much better place I think if more people practiced this compassion they already possess. And so happy you see chickens are very similar to dogs as this connection took me years to understand 🙌 For fruitarianism, the studies in the video below shows how it does resemble the 98.3% veggie, fruit, seed, & nut-based diet of the first 18 million years of our hominid evolution during the Mioscene era instead of just the last 2 million years of the Paleolithic era. Along with 1.7% from mostly insects. Researchers recreated this diet for willing human subjects with incredible results! https://nutritionfacts.org/video/lose-two-pounds-one-sitting-taking-mioscenic-route/ They did cook about 50% of the food as some micronutrients are better absorbed from cooked foods as we discovered during the Paleolithic era. Also I found it's necessary to supplement micronutrients lacking in our modern world such as B12, VitD, DHA, Iodine, Selenium (for N Europeans from 1 daily brazilnut) to cover most nutritional needs: https://nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/12/dr-gregers-2011-optimum-nutrition-recommendations/ Thanks for the video. I'll give it a watch.07:03:47
@guillaume:chauvat.netGiomWe have evolved a lot in the past two million years...09:20:43
@guillaume:chauvat.netGiomWe probably shouldn't try to replicate what our ancestors were eating millions of years ago09:21:21
@guillaume:chauvat.netGiomAt least not in full09:21:33
@testiosis:matrix.orgtestiosisWell, but our ancestors didn't need Oxygen.10:10:28
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@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita
In reply to Giom
We probably shouldn't try to replicate what our ancestors were eating millions of years ago

Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet.

The studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are more closely evolved for conditions during the Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as animal agriculture businesses wants us to believe when the higher animal product consumption took place.

In the study, the high vegetable-based vegan diet significantly beat out the modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.

18:16:12
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable vegan diet. The video studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are evolved for conditions during the late Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable vegan diet in the beat out modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.18:16:29
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet. The video studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are evolved for conditions during the late Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable vegan diet in the beat out modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.18:17:17
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet. The video studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are evolved for conditions during the late Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable vegan diet in the beat out modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.18:19:36
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet. The video studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are evolved for conditions during the late Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as animal agriculture wants us to believe when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable vegan diet in the beat out modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.18:20:51
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet. The studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are evolved for conditions during the late Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as animal agriculture wants us to believe when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable vegan diet in the beat out modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.18:21:34
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet. The studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are evolved for conditions during the late Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as animal agriculture marketing wants us to believe when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable vegan diet in the beat out modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.18:22:42
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet. The studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are evolved for conditions during the late Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as animal agriculture businesses wants us to believe when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable vegan diet in the beat out modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.18:23:08
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet. The studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are evolved for conditions during the late Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as animal agriculture businesses wants us to believe when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable vegan diet significantly beat out the modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.18:25:38
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet. The studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are more closely evolved for conditions during the late Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as animal agriculture businesses wants us to believe when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable vegan diet significantly beat out the modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.18:30:22
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet. The studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are more closely evolved for conditions during the late Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as animal agriculture businesses wants us to believe when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable-based vegan diet significantly beat out the modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.18:33:50
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita
In reply to testiosis
Well, but our ancestors didn't need Oxygen.
Yes that was >350 million years ago, far from the recent 20 million years discussed in the studies before we split from our common great ape ancestors
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/how-life-first-left-water-and-walked-ashore
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@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that was >350 million years ago https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/how-life-first-left-water-and-walked-ashore19:23:49
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that was >350 million years ago, far from the last 20 million years of our hominid evolution https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/how-life-first-left-water-and-walked-ashore20:22:32
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that was >350 million years ago, far from the last 20 million years before we split from our common great ape ancestors https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/how-life-first-left-water-and-walked-ashore20:47:50
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that's why the referenced study did 50/50 raw & cooked plants + modern supplements for a high vegetable-based vegan diet. The studies detailed how our current digestive tracts are more closely evolved for conditions during the Miocene era, not the Paleolitic era as animal agriculture businesses wants us to believe when the higher animal product consumption took place. In the study, the high vegetable-based vegan diet significantly beat out the modern starch-based vegan diet for lowering body weight, blood pressure, heart disease, & overall mortality risk.20:49:24
@guadelupe:matrix.orgLupita* Yes that was >350 million years ago, far from the recent 20 million years discussed in the studies before we split from our common great ape ancestors https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/how-life-first-left-water-and-walked-ashore22:31:38

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