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| .aetherforce | English please | 03:05:58 |
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| discobeat_1 | A lot of pasted video's..good but I like to see a person's own work too who cannot produce a good looking video.
I like to work with my own mind,..to leave the hive shall I say. And what will happen if I frequently do that. What if I see things differently 🤔
It has come about that a rather enormous amount of experiments that I conduct do not fit into any slot anywhere. This led me to thinking about a computers operating system as analogy. As such, parameters are defined and once defined, everything thereafter can make sense. I think every person has boundaries. What allow and when it's Nooo. In essence the fight or flight response. Where is our Operating system defined. Childhood, family influence, studies, all and more of this. When a lot of people believe in a given thing, it's like it sets up a wave-field. Gives power to it, and thus becomes believable. There's an old story where Native North Americans witnessed Europeans arriving. It said the Natives could not see the ships, but saw men rowing small boats. The property of ship, had not been defined and therefore they couldn't see the ships. Another similar situation arose where printed in Scientific American, a volunteer who blind from about 2 years old, was the guinea pig for the new LASER eye surgery. The eye specialists convinced his eyes were now healed and perfect. However the patient remarked could see light, but couldn't focus. Perplexed, an assistant was assigned to describe things. Defined. The patient slowly began to see. The camera driver program, so to speak. So let's go the other way. What if a whole lot of people believe in something that isn't there, or mentally reconstruct what is there but in a different form. ex) a Hypnotist convincing subjects that shoes are puppies. So the common denominator is to define parameters. I think humans defend their operating systems through the fight or flight response. Perhaps as a means of preserving the hive-mind level of reality. | 23:04:03 |
| 29 Dec 2022 |
 aetherforce | I get what you are saying. Basically talking about the group creation of egregores and such. Yes that is a thing. Goethean science and what Steiner has laid out after that though are steps for you to bypass sense based thinking and thus transcending the dichotomy of percept and concept. Meaning no concepts are necessary as you learn to experience the story of nature itself ... a literal etheric conversation between observed and observer. So there is no need to hold onto the concept laid forth by Steiner. Even he tells you just to consider them as indications and to learn to go through the steps of self initiation to experience the supersensible yourself and validate or disprove his claims, since an objective experience of the spiritual is possible if adequate steps are taken.
The major groundwork for scientifically demonstrating the presence of the formative forces and ethers described by Steiner are from Lilly Kolisko, Alison Davidson, Ehrenfried Pfeiffer, Lawrence Edwards, Nick Thomas and others from the natural science section from the Goetheanum. The best indications on how to proceed experimentally is to investigate the Schiller Files which can be found in the icedrive link I provided. | 23:49:15 |
| aetherforce | * I get what you are saying. Basically talking about the group creation of egregores and such. Yes that is a valid phenomena but I don't think it necessarily pertains to this section.
And yes there are many links to videos which for the most part are audio readings of Steiner's literature by Dale Brunsvold.
Goethean science and what Steiner had laid out after Goethe though are steps for you to bypass sense based thinking and thus transcend the dichotomy of percept and concept. Meaning no concepts are necessary as you learn to experience the story of nature itself ... a literal etheric conversation between observed and observer. So there is no need to hold onto the concepts laid forth by Steiner. Even he tells you just to consider them as indications and to learn to go through the steps of self initiation to experience the supersensible yourself and validate or disprove his claims, since an objective experience of the spiritual is possible if adequate steps are taken. Most Anthroposophists do not do this though and unfortunately take his word for dogma. That's one of the several reasons why I have nothing to do with the organization.
The major groundwork for scientifically demonstrating the presence of the formative forces and ethers described by Steiner are from Lilly Kolisko, Alison Davidson, Ehrenfried Pfeiffer, Lawrence Edwards, Nick Thomas and others from the natural science section from the Goetheanum. The best indications on how to proceed experimentally is to investigate the Schiller Files which can be found in the icedrive link I provided. | 23:58:53 |
| 31 Dec 2022 |
| .aetherforce | For anyone interested I have a telegram channel specific to Rudolf Steiner and Goethean Science. It was originally a group just for the study groups that I led for MysTech.org ... I am deciding to let non student in the group since I have taken a major break from MysTech with no planned return. Not much conversation in there at the moment but is another solid archive for Steiner and Goethean Science.
https://t.me/+V8Og4_VhT2KL-GqZ | 01:13:15 |
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