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A space for neuroatypicals, especially autistic or autistic-adjacent people, that centers our needs. Allistics must understand their place here. Self-dx is valid! No bigots, no fascists (no TERFs, no SWERFs). Message @zuggtmoy:matrix.org for an invite!11 Servers

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24 Mar 2021
@ijyx:matrix.orgizzyty11:36:15
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org:) No probs. 👍️11:36:46
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@ijyx:matrix.orgizzyi wrote a thing on autism diagnoses throughout history cw for r slur and other offensive and outdated language tho https://qua.name/izzy/from-childhood-schizophrenia-to-asd22:37:15
26 Mar 2021
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.orgGreat collection/summary! Well done! 😀 (Makes you realise just how ableist autism diagnosis has been for all this time in history... 🙄) You left out the first one, the original one, from Europe -- Hans Asperger's own diagnosis: Autistischen Psychopathen ("autistic psychopathy"), later adopting the simpler term Autismus ("autism") once he realised that autism was a natural occurrance and persists throughout a person's entire life span. Asperger was also the first to use the term "autistic individual". This was even before "childhood schizophrenia" if I remember correctly. And before Hans Asperger, Grunia Sukhareva coined the diagnosis of "schizoid personality disorder" -- this was likely where the idea of "childhood schizophrenia" came from in the West later (or using the same line of reasoning). Source: NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman (pages 97 and 98)11:17:10
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Great collection/summary! 😀 (Makes you realise just how ableist autism diagnosis has been for all this time in history... 🙄) You left out the first one, the original one, from Europe -- Hans Asperger's own diagnosis: Autistischen Psychopathen ("autistic psychopathy"), later adopting the simpler term Autismus once he realised that autism was a natural occurrance and persists throughout a person's entire life span. This was even before "childhood schizophrenia" if I remember correctly. And before Hans Asperger, Grunia Sukhareva coined the diagnosis of "schizoid personality disorder" -- this is likely where the idea of "childhood schizophrenia" came from in the West later. Source: NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman (pages 97 and 98)11:17:41
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Great collection/summary! 😀 (Makes you realise just how ableist autism diagnosis has been for all this time in history... 🙄) You left out the first one, the original one, from Europe -- Hans Asperger's own diagnosis: Autistischen Psychopathen ("autistic psychopathy"), later adopting the simpler term Autismus once he realised that autism was a natural occurrance and persists throughout a person's entire life span. Asperger was also the first to use the term "autistic individual". This was even before "childhood schizophrenia" if I remember correctly. And before Hans Asperger, Grunia Sukhareva coined the diagnosis of "schizoid personality disorder" -- this is likely where the idea of "childhood schizophrenia" came from in the West later. Source: NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman (pages 97 and 98)11:23:30
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.orgInteresting to note that there are still some standard psychology tests used today that employ Sukhareva's model and test for "schizoid personality disorder" (which has nothing to do with schizophrenia, as it's actually autism). (I had to take such a test, and it showed that I had "schizoid personality disorder". I didn't understand it at the time, but the psychologist assured me that it wasn't schizophrenia, and that it had nothing to do with it, but that instead it showed that I am autistic. Looking back, and knowing the history of this all, now I understand why.)11:24:56
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Interesting to note that there are still some standard psychology tests used today that employ Sukhareva's model and test for "schizoid personality disorder" (which has nothing to do with schizophrenia, as it's actually autism). (I had to take such a test, and it showed that I had "schizoid personality disorder".)11:25:48
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Great collection/summary! Well done! 😀 (Makes you realise just how ableist autism diagnosis has been for all this time in history... 🙄) You left out the first one, the original one, from Europe -- Hans Asperger's own diagnosis: Autistischen Psychopathen ("autistic psychopathy"), later adopting the simpler term Autismus once he realised that autism was a natural occurrance and persists throughout a person's entire life span. Asperger was also the first to use the term "autistic individual". This was even before "childhood schizophrenia" if I remember correctly. And before Hans Asperger, Grunia Sukhareva coined the diagnosis of "schizoid personality disorder" -- this is likely where the idea of "childhood schizophrenia" came from in the West later. Source: NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman (pages 97 and 98)11:29:50
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Great collection/summary! Well done! 😀 (Makes you realise just how ableist autism diagnosis has been for all this time in history... 🙄) You left out the first one, the original one, from Europe -- Hans Asperger's own diagnosis: Autistischen Psychopathen ("autistic psychopathy"), later adopting the simpler term Autismus ("autism") once he realised that autism was a natural occurrance and persists throughout a person's entire life span. Asperger was also the first to use the term "autistic individual". This was even before "childhood schizophrenia" if I remember correctly. And before Hans Asperger, Grunia Sukhareva coined the diagnosis of "schizoid personality disorder" -- this is likely where the idea of "childhood schizophrenia" came from in the West later. Source: NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman (pages 97 and 98)11:32:17
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Great collection/summary! Well done! 😀 (Makes you realise just how ableist autism diagnosis has been for all this time in history... 🙄) You left out the first one, the original one, from Europe -- Hans Asperger's own diagnosis: Autistischen Psychopathen ("autistic psychopathy"), later adopting the simpler term Autismus ("autism") once he realised that autism was a natural occurrance and persists throughout a person's entire life span. Asperger was also the first to use the term "autistic individual". This was even before "childhood schizophrenia" if I remember correctly. And before Hans Asperger, Grunia Sukhareva coined the diagnosis of "schizoid personality disorder" -- this was likely where the idea of "childhood schizophrenia" came from in the West later. Source: NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman (pages 97 and 98)11:35:26
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Interesting to note that there are still some standard psychology tests used today that employ Sukhareva's model and test for "schizoid personality disorder" (which has nothing to do with schizophrenia, as it's actually autism). (I had to take such a test, and it showed that I had "schizoid personality disorder". I didn't understand it at the time, but the psychologist assured me that it wasn't schizophrenia, and that it had nothing to do with it, but that instead showed that I am autistic. Looking back, and knowing the history of this all, now I understand why.)11:38:38
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Interesting to note that there are still some standard psychology tests used today that employ Sukhareva's model and test for "schizoid personality disorder" (which has nothing to do with schizophrenia, as it's actually autism). (I had to take such a test, and it showed that I had "schizoid personality disorder". I didn't understand it at the time, but the psychologist assured me that it wasn't schizophrenia, and that it had nothing to do with it, but that instead it showed that I am autistic. Looking back, and knowing the history of this all, now I understand why.)11:39:50
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org * Great collection/summary! Well done! 😀 (Makes you realise just how ableist autism diagnosis has been for all this time in history... 🙄) You left out the first one, the original one, from Europe -- Hans Asperger's own diagnosis: Autistischen Psychopathen ("autistic psychopathy"), later adopting the simpler term Autismus ("autism") once he realised that autism was a natural occurrance and persists throughout a person's entire life span. Asperger was also the first to use the term "autistic individual". This was even before "childhood schizophrenia" if I remember correctly. And before Hans Asperger, Grunia Sukhareva coined the diagnosis of "schizoid personality disorder" -- this was likely where the idea of "childhood schizophrenia" came from in the West later (or using the same line of reasoning). Source: NeuroTribes by Steve Silberman (pages 97 and 98)11:47:18
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org

I find it funny how you say "possibly offensive language", izzy, seeing as practically all of it has been ableist and offensive professional terminology. Offensive to autistic people, not NT professionals.

It's not "possibly offensive", it's definitely offensive. It's designed to be downgrading, to be pathologising natural human traits and behaviour, to be dehumanising.

We don't say "possibly offensive" for racist terminologies used. The very same should apply to ableism. These are professionally used terms, but they are nonetheless ableist, and therefore offensive.

12:17:44
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

I find it funny how you say "possibly offensive language", izzy, seeing as practically all of it has been ableist and offensive professional terminology. Offensive to autistic people, not NT professionals.

It's not "possibly offensive", it's definitely offensive.

12:20:01
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

I find it funny how you say "possibly offensive language", izzy, seeing as practically all of it has been ableist and offensive professional terminology. Offensive to autistic people, not NT professionals.

It's not "possibly offensive", it's definitely offensive. It's designed to be downgrading, to be pathologising, to be dehumanising.

12:21:07
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

I find it funny how you say "possibly offensive language", izzy, seeing as practically all of it has been ableist and offensive professional terminology. Offensive to autistic people, not NT professionals.

It's not "possibly offensive", it's definitely offensive. It's designed to be downgrading, to be pathologising natural human traits and behaviour, to be dehumanising.

12:22:19
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

I find it funny how you say "possibly offensive language", izzy, seeing as practically all of it has been ableist and offensive professional terminology. Offensive to autistic people, not NT professionals.

It's not "possibly offensive", it's definitely offensive. It's designed to be downgrading, to be pathologising natural human traits and behaviour, to be dehumanising.

We don't say "possibly offensive" for racist terminologies used. The very same should apply to ableism.

12:24:43
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

I find it funny how you say "possibly offensive language", izzy, seeing as practically all of it has been ableist and offensive professional terminology. Offensive to autistic people, not NT professionals.

It's not "possibly offensive", it's definitely offensive. It's designed to be downgrading, to be pathologising natural human traits and behaviour, to be dehumanising.

We don't say "possibly offensive" for racist terminologies used. The very same should apply to ableism. These are professionally used terms, but they are nonetheless ableist.

12:25:27
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.org *

I find it funny how you say "possibly offensive language", izzy, seeing as practically all of it has been ableist and offensive professional terminology. Offensive to autistic people, not NT professionals.

It's not "possibly offensive", it's definitely offensive. It's designed to be downgrading, to be pathologising natural human traits and behaviour, to be dehumanising.

We don't say "possibly offensive" for racist terminologies used. The very same should apply to ableism. These are professionally used terms, but they are nonetheless ableist, and therefore offensive.

12:26:30
@ijyx:matrix.orgizzyyou're right, i should change that14:08:45
@ijyx:matrix.orgizzyi do find it interesting that you consider szpd to be a form of autism. Thats what i self-dxed with before i ever considered autism14:09:31
@ijyx:matrix.orgizzyand im gonna add a note on asperger too14:09:48
@jez:petrichor.meJez (he/him)Writing About Talking About Communicating When Autistic https://neuroclastic.com/2020/04/06/writing-about-talking-about-communicating-when-autistic/ via @wallabagapp20:18:14
@jez:petrichor.meJez (he/him) I liked this article: I identified with his experience that, once you've done it once or twice, public speaking is actually easier than having a conversation with the same strangers. 20:19:33
@kenoiyan:matrix.org@kenoiyan:matrix.orgIt's the very first diagnosis ever made for autism. If you have a look at the Wikipedia description for it even today, it's practically describing autistic traits. The only part it gets really wrong is that despite some outwardly appearing similarities (to NTs), autism/SZPD has nothing to do with schizophrenia or STPD. What's happening inwardly is entirely different. This is the first big realisation that Asperger came to -- that autism and schizophrenic conditions are NOT linked. So despite its name, schizoid personality disorder has nothing to do with schizophrenia, actually -- and technically it's not a personality disorder, but a neurological functioning difference. It's actually a(n outdated) diagnosis of autism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder22:39:25

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