| 27 Jun 2018 |
 @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | The Russians definitely have social engineering bots going on, though. Applied memetics is the new revolution in realpolitik, I find. | 23:14:42 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | The Russians and perhaps others. | 23:14:59 |
 @estrinken:disroot.org | the Russians certainly have some technology to influence, but i heard about many abuses of the term "Russian bot" | 23:19:40 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | for example i met many anons who received that term | 23:19:48 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | I agree. Good terms are often dilluted by misuse. | 23:20:24 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | I think it's a defense mechanism, in a way. "You can't be real". | 23:20:52 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | and that's about organic accounts | 23:20:52 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | but still, those things are still not documented very well, so for many people they are still parts of the conspiracy spectrum | 23:21:33 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | Fair enough. Did you look into Zuckenberg's statements on the bots? | 23:22:36 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | well i know a bit about Cambridge Analytica, but I didn't listen to Zuckerberg | 23:23:09 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | I ask because I haven't, myself. They seemed promising. I don't trust him, of course. | 23:23:30 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | but i'm more alluding to a fact, that i saw people getting kicked from alternative politics channel just for stating their opinion. for example a person got kicked for saying, that he didn't read Marx, because in his opinion his views were harmful | 23:23:57 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | That's an increasingly common in the left. This might seem like a non sequitur, but did you hear about the fuss in the SCP foundation community? | 23:27:38 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | i saw a meme about it | 23:27:57 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | (Mind you, I've also seen it happen in places like the_donald, but it's far more pervasive in the left) | 23:28:08 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | Well, here's how I pieced the events together. | 23:28:45 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | There was some fuss about the rainbow thing- I'm not sure of the hows and whys, but the gist is that there was some legitimate questioning and discussion as to whether it was appropriate. | 23:29:22 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | But then came some... less tasteful people, expressing their opinions in a very aggressive way- channers. I don't mean any offense, but I think we all know how they can be at their worst. | 23:30:17 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | yeah, i know how extreme they can get | 23:31:59 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | This prompted a disproportionate response from a reddit admin, who started to aggressively ban anyone who dissented against the rainbow. The admin was later retired, but the damage was already done. It splintered the community. And in a sad example of human nature, instead of making a full apology, the SCP staff awkwardly tried to protect their exclusive identity politics. | 23:32:00 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | but i must also say, that, from my experience with imageboards, there are certain people who steer the communities into extremes | 23:32:56 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | They respond to stress by curling up in their safe space. It's a sad thing. | 23:32:56 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | Quite. The insidiousness of the bad apple. | 23:33:11 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | there are methods for creating an artificial interest and then dynamics of the community do their things | 23:34:04 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | and it's often a characteristic of the rightist communities, that people are easily steered to become wild and offensive | 23:35:35 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | A force of nature that can be manipulated. Though I think attempts at aiming 4chan at something can backfire just as often. | 23:35:38 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | while the left may be overly sensitive | 23:35:48 |
| @fearoftheduck:disroot.org | Quite. | 23:35:54 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | that's for sure. it's not that there's just a single force on 4chan that is knowledgeable of sociology | 23:36:47 |
| @estrinken:disroot.org | but, whatever we may say, 4chan started as a left-leaning board | 23:36:54 |
