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| 30 Jan 2023 |
 Devon Dmytro | Hey @room! New p2p builds have been released for both iOS & Android. As always, links can be found in the topic for this room.
These builds update to the latest Dendrite and contain the first prototype of store & forward.
Store & forward allows you to send messages to a relay server if the destination you are trying to reach is offline. More information on s&f can be found here: https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/blob/main/relayapi/ARCHITECTURE.md
It is still very experimental so don't expect it to work in a lot of cases.
Some quick usage info:
- nodes won't act as a relay by default
- this can be turned on with the toggle in your user settings (next to static peer settings)
- It works well in 2 user rooms.
- rooms with more than 2 users will probably have varying issues
- encrypted rooms haven't been tested at all, and I don't expect they will function if relying on s&f
- at startup, your node will query the assigned relay server/s in your user settings for any missed events
- to assign relays for other nodes, select them in a room and edit the relay servers setting in the info panel
- they will only query the relays they have configured, it is a pull based system
- it takes ~10 - 15 seconds after you send a message to a node who went offline before it'll send to the relay.
- There is nothing in the UI showing that it sent to the relay so waiting >=20 seconds is advised.
- After the first message, subsequent messages will be sent immediately to the relay. Unless the other node comes back online of course.
WARNING If you send messages to a relay you do so at your own risk. You risk having these events read by the relay. S&F is very experimental so this will harden with time, but this is an alpha stage of it for testing and demo purposes only. Don't use or rely on it for any private or sensitive data.
| 03:54:24 |
| Devon Dmytro | * Hey @room ! New p2p builds have been released for both iOS & Android. As always, links can be found in the topic for this room.
These builds update to the latest Dendrite and contain the first prototype of store & forward.
Store & forward allows you to send messages to a relay server if the destination you are trying to reach is offline. More information on s&f can be found here: https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/blob/main/relayapi/ARCHITECTURE.md
It is still very experimental so don't expect it to work in a lot of cases.
Some quick usage info:
-
nodes won't act as a relay by default
- this can be turned on with the toggle in your user settings (next to static peer settings)
-
It works well in 2 user rooms.
- rooms with more than 2 users will probably have varying issues
- encrypted rooms haven't been tested at all, and I don't expect they will function if relying on s&f
-
at startup, your node will query the assigned relay server/s in your user settings for any missed events
-
to assign relays for other nodes, select them in a room and edit the relay servers setting in the info panel
- they will only query the relays they have configured, it is a pull based system
-
it takes ~10 - 15 seconds after you send a message to a node who went offline before it'll send to the relay.
-
There is nothing in the UI showing that it sent to the relay so waiting >=20 seconds is advised.
-
After the first message, subsequent messages will be sent immediately to the relay. Unless the other node comes back online of course.
WARNING If you send messages to a relay you do so at your own risk. You risk having these events read by the relay. S&F is very experimental so this will harden with time, but this is an alpha stage of it for testing and demo purposes only. Don't use or rely on it for any private or sensitive data.
| 03:54:51 |
 bbigras | If I enable the relay option in the app on my phone, does it mean that my phone will also store messages for other users? | 06:41:06 |
| bbigras | I'm guessing no since my phone must not be reliable enough for other people. | 06:41:35 |
| bbigras | > they will only query the relays they have configured, it is a pull based system
Will that always be the case? | 06:52:56 |
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 NebulaOnion (anonymousland) | In reply to @devonh:one.ems.host
Hey @room ! New p2p builds have been released for both iOS & Android. As always, links can be found in the topic for this room.
These builds update to the latest Dendrite and contain the first prototype of store & forward.
Store & forward allows you to send messages to a relay server if the destination you are trying to reach is offline. More information on s&f can be found here: https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/blob/main/relayapi/ARCHITECTURE.md
It is still very experimental so don't expect it to work in a lot of cases.
Some quick usage info:
-
nodes won't act as a relay by default
- this can be turned on with the toggle in your user settings (next to static peer settings)
-
It works well in 2 user rooms.
- rooms with more than 2 users will probably have varying issues
- encrypted rooms haven't been tested at all, and I don't expect they will function if relying on s&f
-
at startup, your node will query the assigned relay server/s in your user settings for any missed events
-
to assign relays for other nodes, select them in a room and edit the relay servers setting in the info panel
- they will only query the relays they have configured, it is a pull based system
-
it takes ~10 - 15 seconds after you send a message to a node who went offline before it'll send to the relay.
-
There is nothing in the UI showing that it sent to the relay so waiting >=20 seconds is advised.
-
After the first message, subsequent messages will be sent immediately to the relay. Unless the other node comes back online of course.
WARNING If you send messages to a relay you do so at your own risk. You risk having these events read by the relay. S&F is very experimental so this will harden with time, but this is an alpha stage of it for testing and demo purposes only. Don't use or rely on it for any private or sensitive data.
Hi, what about Element Desktop support? | 14:31:46 |
| Devon Dmytro | In reply to @bbigras:matrix.org
If I enable the relay option in the app on my phone, does it mean that my phone will also store messages for other users? Enabling that option means that other users could use your phone as a relay. (ie. your phone will accept events to store, and possibly forward them on at some later time)
It doesn't mean your phone will act as a relay. All relaying is manually configured right now, so someone would need to manually configure to use your phone as a relay. | 15:20:24 |
| Devon Dmytro | In reply to @bbigras:matrix.org
> they will only query the relays they have configured, it is a pull based system
Will that always be the case? unsure. for right now it is the easiest to work with since we avoid the problem of a relay having to continuously try and push out events to an offline node and potentially flood the network with traffic that may never reach the destination. | 15:21:24 |
| Devon Dmytro | In reply to @nebulaonion:anonymousland.org
Hi, what about Element Desktop support? As these are only demos, we don't have bandwidth to maintain apps for all platforms.
The mobile apps have been prioritized as they are more resource constrained and make for a harder target to design for. | 15:22:32 |
| Devon Dmytro | Also - I tried making a public room for Build 113 (as usual) but ran into an error where the database prevented me from making the room discoverable.
I'll have to look into that as well 😛 | 15:26:23 |
 Hyperbased in Hyperspace | oh thats a known bug, i thought i messed something up lol | 15:42:50 |
| Devon Dmytro | oh? known where?
Any links or more info on it? | 15:44:31 |
 ninchuka | I think they mean that you know about it, not thats its already known | 15:45:36 |
| Devon Dmytro | ah! yeah that's it lol | 15:45:50 |
| Devon Dmytro | we're looking at it right now so I was hoping for a quick win 🙂 | 15:46:08 |
| Hyperbased in Hyperspace | sorry to disappoint you 🐸 | 15:46:58 |
| Devon Dmytro | no worries! we'll figure it out now that we know about it | 15:47:19 |
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 Wyndix | P2P Matrix my beloved | 20:02:58 |
| Wyndix | Glad to see the initial S&F implementation, slowly but surely we will take over the world mwahahahahahah >:) | 20:03:40 |
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