| 22 May 2020 |
| 20:17:05 |  avalos 🇲🇽 | Telegram security is ridiculous. |
| 20:17:10 | avalos 🇲🇽 | In reply to @ludwig:disko.media
I would like to see some discussion with the people of Signal, maybe Telegram. They at least claim to have a similar mission to Matrix! * Telegram security is ridiculous. |
| 20:18:18 | avalos 🇲🇽 | Messages are encrypted on the server when Secret Chat feature is disabled. |
| 20:19:00 |  Andy | Still, it would be nice to hear their thoughts on how they do what they do and what their values are, etc. |
| 20:19:07 | Andy | * Still, it would be nice to hear their thoughts on how they do what they do and what their values are, etc. |
| 20:19:15 |  kim | telegram is another "fake oss" except they may be oss but more of a entrepreneurial attitude otherwise. that's at least my impression; i never tried as phone number is a dealbreaker for me |
| 20:19:40 | kim | ux is pretty good i'm told |
| 20:20:26 | avalos 🇲🇽 | Telegram is marketing bullshit. Privacy… security… encryption… blah, blah, blah. E2EE is not even enabled by default, wtf? |
| 20:20:46 | avalos 🇲🇽 | And they created their own obscure protocol instead of using something that already works, such as Signal Protocol. |
| 20:21:46 | Andy | In reply to @kim:sosnowkadub.de
ux is pretty good i'm told their ux is really pleasant to use, that's true |
| 20:22:08 | Andy | I only use it with a friend, and mostly to just see how others are doing things |
| 20:22:23 | avalos 🇲🇽 | In reply to @AndresCuccaro:matrix.org
their ux is really pleasant to use, that's true Yeah, that's completely true. |
| 20:28:28 |  Michael Downey | Trying to find alternatives to Signal now that they have doubled down on the road to mandatory cloud storage of user content. |
| 20:30:42 | Michael Downey | Redacted or Malformed Event |
| 20:36:50 | avalos 🇲🇽 | In reply to @michael:downey.net
Trying to find alternatives to Signal now that they have doubled down on the road to mandatory cloud storage of user content. Uhh, I just installed Signal after reading an issue where a person said you could have a username so people won't know your phone number, but it was a lie. |
| 20:41:35 | Michael Downey | Not sure about the ability to work back to a phone number from a username. But they're also on track to store all (encrypted) messages on their servers too, in the name of "easier restore". |
| 20:43:18 | avalos 🇲🇽 | Well, as long as they're safely stored without any metadata at all, it is probably not bad. |
| 20:43:54 | avalos 🇲🇽 | And as long as you can disable backups. |
| 20:44:03 | avalos 🇲🇽 | And as long as you can run your own instance. |
| 20:53:25 | kim |
their servers
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| 26 May 2020 |
| 08:50:41 |  benpa | In reply to @AndresCuccaro:matrix.org
benpa: I was thinking that for some upcoming OTWSU it could be interesting to have leaders of some other "competing" projects, like Rocket.chat and Mattermost, for example. this is a good suggestion |
